Crusoe

We shall see... BUT people should understand that this is pure conjecture at this point. There is no evidence or historical precedent to back up this claim. And now we have almost zero leverage as well. So until proven otherwise this is mostly magical thinking. This is forced amalgamation & forced arbitration (ie- no vote & no strike threat.).

David Puddy

Some Atlas questions:

1. For the 767 flying, what % of flying is domestic (eg Amazon flying and similar) vs international?

2. Is the 747 schedule always a 17-day schedule? Are there more flexible schedules?

3. Approx what is the mix of 767 vs 747 slots for new hires these days? Is it purely based on need or is there an experience component for determining fleet?

4. What is the current upgrade time average? What is the seat lock time for bidding across fleets?

Elevation

1.) 767 is about 30% overseas, 70% domestic, depending on how you measure.
2.) Purely need based. If they need people in different airframes they'll rack and stack how and where they want to assign you but they look at more than just experience. Turboprop guys get 747 and prior international ACMI guys have gotten the 767.
3.) The mix of 767 to 747 hiring is all over the place depending on classes. What's going on today has no real bearing on what will be happening next month.
4.) Upgrade is around 5 years or less. There's a three year seat-lock, but that does not apply to upgrade. So you could hire into the 747 and take an upgrade into another plane next year, theoretically.

Twin Wasp

Atlas has “30 day” lines and “60 day” lines. They should really be called one month lines and two month lines since some months have 31 days but it’s Atlas. January 31st and March 1st are in the February bid to bring it up to 30 days. The 30 day lines on the 74 tend to be one block of 15-17 days. You’re likely to be on the other side of the planet in the middle of your trip so it would cost them money to bring you home. The 60 day lines tend to broken into three trips. You might have 10 days toward the beginning of the first month. Then the last seven days of the month and the first seven days of the second month. Then nine or ten days towards the end of the second month.

There are also “Hybrid” lines that are a mix of flying and up to 4 reserve days. The reserve days can be separate from the flying days, at the end of the flying days or even leading into the flying days which makes no sense because if they use you during those days the whole rest of your line is usually shredded and they’ve having to get people to cover your flying while you sit on the other side of the world.

Looking at some 76 lines even many of their 30 day lines are broken into 2 chunks of flying.

David Puddy

Good info!

Cujo665

Of course, but history is usually a good indicator.....the terrible USAir CBA and AA CBA with like 8 years in section six didn’t get finalized in 2015 and be on par with their piers? No, guess that really didn’t happen after all.
Atlas/Southern will eventually get a contract. Right now it’s in the pilots interest to either get it yesterday or wait until the rebound from covid. Doing it while several thousand legacy guys are on furlough won’t work our well.

Onesimus

Is there an option to drop trips within bid periods? Or is there a means to give away or trade trips within a period?

Elevation

You can trip trade, but it's not through an automated process, like you may be used to elsewhere. You have to actually get you and a friend to email a person in planning, etc.

Voski

This is the most underrated comment in this thread. ATI has the better contract, pay, QOL, "culture" among the two at this moment in time. However, I'd be very cautious about ATI's growth given the majority of it is predicated on Amazon Air increasing their flying. It could work out great, however, diversification is critical to the long-term success of Atlas Air.

Elevation

Good point.