It would be a nice change Globe. Some Cheddar here, some Cheddar anything helps. Managing my expectations as always, but always with a hint of optimism = At least I haven’t heard of any concessions. Not necessarily in the know, but we’ll see what we might have given up? 1st thought is in the seniority benefits. Max OT? Hmmmm, just spitballing…

They already agreed on max OT.

Aha! Good, bad, indifferent? Fair assessment? Dare to share? I had an idea but unwilling to post just hearsay he said she said both said whatever.

*Already sounds like a loss no matter what the criteria and it now has been substantiated, thanks Dera I do appreciate the candor. Please tell me we gained elsewhere in the contract and dare not say it’s for the good of the pilot group. Fairness but not via Seniority all depends on when/where you sit, time is time yet that is not rewarded is a guess.

210 hrs, 180 hrs, 150 hrs, 130 hrs? What could max be?

Sounds like Bastardized “Trickle Down Economics.” Please prove me wrong. Ever hopeful that was traded for 200% somewhere else.

After 115 hours your seniority will be subordinated. It's listed as agreed on under Article 25.

I don't know what parts would be important enough to compensate for that. Perhaps the line value guarantee, that's also agreed on? That sounds like a good gain that benefits everyone. Not losing pay for schedule changes sounds good to me, more experiences folks can comment if it's a good thing or not.

Really depends on if they change the language about extending pilots with VX on their schedule without putting it into open time because that's how most people who are really working their days off credit more than 115.

I'm right there with you. If it weren't for the Amalgamation I think yall would've fought to the end over a 16% DC.... Given that it's an arbitrated contract I'm expecting the end result to be much less. At this point I think getting K4's would be an improvement. Unfortunately arbitrations don't usually favor pilots as much as Section 6 Bargained contracts.

After 5 years and 8 months of fighting the end of our CEO's "process" is almost here. The contract Atlas pilots "deserve" and apparently can only afford on an almost 10 year old contract is: 2 more hours MMG from 62 to 64, a $50 an hour raise avg across all fleets, 1% more 401k match to 6% total and a 10 cent hourly increase in per diem. Some scheduling and rest rules were agreed to but everything else the company demanded current book or concessions.

We'll move from well below the worst contract in the industry..to less below the worst contract in the industry. Atlas will again make sure we're stuck with it for 10+ years.

The arbitrator has some history of being pro labor in his awards, especially when it's obvious a company is screwing their workers; something Atlas has excelled at for over 20 years. It remains to be seen if he sees through managements "Atlas can't compete under a industry standard CBA" farce.

I guess we will have to wait and see. I understand why you are taking the glass half empty approach.

Where did you get these numbers from?

If you go on the union website and log in, all the arbitration exhibits are posted on there. Joint exhibit 20 shows a good comparison of what's proposed by the company and union for the open issues. You can also see more details of specific proposals under the company or union exhibits.