OK, missed the big picture (for me, ethics/trust drives everything - Just be “A Man of your Word”) and I would like to say I am giving this next group the benefit of the doubt! Show teeth, but Nash them when needed = Go team!

*Not like I really have a choice, but I will pick our side until further review. Be strong, be honest and never quit. I wish the Best for ALL of us!
With lawyers involved I guess staying on the straight and narrow path isn’t a thing. This time can we get the Best: “Dewey Cheat’m & Howe” always good I hear over and over again.:D

Oh, you mean Dubinsky is actually setting up interviews for Kirchner? If Dubinsky is really in control why aren't we hearing from him in the industry media?

Or maybe you just don't know what you're talking about?

" biggest labour disaster in the history of aviation."

Hyperbole much?

Every single union comm reads like a 16 year old girl who just got dumped. Childish, and embarrassing.

Big shout out to all those who voted in the BK slate, working out great.

Now comes the next “Process” for our CEO, implementation. He’s going to delay as many months as possible the pay raises, scheduling improvements and everything the union was able to TA. He may never enact parts of it, like trip trade and drop under the 2011 arbitration. Anything that raises crew costs one penny, John Dietrich will dig in his heels. If the Union doesn’t agree, J.D. gets to run back to the arbitrator who just gave him 98% of what he wanted.

It was a colossal union failure. If they get rolled again on implementation they’ll get the boot for an in house union. The fool me once principle is in effect and they are 0 and 2. We got a better result in 2011. The 2011 hourly rates averaged in the midrange of the legacy pax and big cargo carriers and we got a 12 mil signing bonus. Zip signing bonus this time and the 2021 rates are well below even Kalitta for every fleet except the 747, where the arbitrator awarded K4 rate plus $2.00. Such a generous man.. interesting that the company never made the slightest hint of a last best offer before his award. Now we know why.

We were paying the highest assessments plus dues for years and the end result was a disaster for the pilot group writ large. Most of the blame rests on John Dietrich and the arbitrator. However there’s many union guys that worked very hard winning grievances and in negotiations with the brick wall, but failure is still failure and it should not be rewarded. We even had some within leadership actively sabotaging the unions efforts in the final months. Boot and Shop blew up in their faces and needlessly handed mgt an injunction club to beat us with at the slightest hint of a job action real or imaginary. Our crack legal team lost just about every court battle. Their arguments to the arbitrator were unpersuasive. Teamsters National? MIA.

The next few months will decide the fate of Teamsters at Atlas.

You're absolutely right but I think we just need to get an in-house union anyway to make sure we get to vote on the next contract. It'll never be possible if we're a part of a national union.

Agree 100%.

Disagree 100%. JD decided long ago how this was going to go and he stuck to his plan. He wasted a tremendous amount of money to make this happen, as well as lost a ton of business. Negotiations only work when there are 2 willing parties. Arbitration was his goal…and, as a scumbag lawyer, he knew exactly how to get there. It certainly helps that the whole system is stacked in managements favor and against labor.


I think it’s almost a sure thing that we will end up with an in house union before the end of this new turd of CBA 5 year term. If for no other reason than to defeat the amalgamation clause. Unfortunately, I think that if the company sees that we’re headed that way…they will, at the last possible moment, buy another IBT airline and force an amalgamation…and attempt to get the arbitrator to change the language to use amalgamation if they buy an airline represented by any union(or even no union at all).

That is exactly what I believe will happen…though scumbag JD will do his best to convince a judge to change the language of our contract to apply to mergers with any airline, regardless of union status…or will buy another crappy IBT represented airline last minute before we change to independent and then try to get the arbitrator to change the language as previously described.

Meanwhile, CK is doomposting on Facebook about never voting on a contract ever again, too bad he's not allowed to mention the one thing that would help prevent amalgamation.

He’s the VP under our IBT union organization….I think he’s being perfectly clear by stating that he can’t recommend leaving the IBT. It’s not that he doesn’t necessarily agree that leaving IBT and going in house is the only way to avoid another amalgamation…he just can’t publicly say it.

He’s right about us never being able to vote on a contract though…assuming we stay in a union with other airlines. If we go independent, the amalgamation clause is dead.

Read between the lines…or talk to some of our leadership one on one and ask those questions.