Originally Posted by YellowBird (Post 3293644)

What did you all think? Frankly, I'm impressed with the pay scale. The union never fought for the pilot group. They were busy lining their pockets and eating steak dinners. Paying themselves UB days for all those pathetic picketing events. While negotiations were going on, your newly elected Chairman was texting his friends at UPS to help him get on. What does that tell you about how much faith he had in your future? This contract is gonna be with the pilot group for the next 12 years!

Originally Posted by APCbot (Post 3293686)

What strategy would you prefer?

Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3293517)

‘I noticed this..... which left me torn on the issue but after taking sometime to think things over, the award is no surprise and quite few folks I’ve talked to think the same thing. Union did what it could, the company just had a better chess strategy. No concessions were taken which is important. Next important thing is to get this CBA implemented and move forward from there. Time to make lemonade out of lemons.

That means folks will need to decide what they want to do, and is the best for themselves and their families. If it is to stay great, if not, that’s great too. Lemonade out of lemons.

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 3293609)

Blaming your leadership is as tone deaf as claiming that JD was going to give you anything in 2016. In 2016 you'd have a 2.5% match on your 401k, split the baby with Southern pay rates, 18 day lines, 13 day "Vacation Lines", 2.4 hours of rig a day, no business class international travel... Because (some of) you guys fought you won contract parity for Southern AND then started arbitration. Guess what you'd also win with your 2016 (but really 2018) arbitrated contract? An amendable contract next year where Atlas just buys Amerijet since your theoretical leadership is so gullible that they'll believe whatever JD tells them. Be thankful your leadership had the vision to understand what JD was attempting to do.

The bottom line is this... People who could've left didn't. People who should've refused to work there accepted jobs there. I could go on and on about the things you could've done to win a better CBA but in the end you lost by a pretty close score. If not for Covid Atlas might've been forced to pay you. If 100 more people left that might've been enough... If 100 more people refused to work there it might've been enough. There's absolutely no reason that you can't force Atlas to negotiate with you tomorrow. Literally everyone is desperate for pilots again. Vote with your feet. If Atlas has more pilots in 12 months then look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by Prof Chaos (Post 3293607)

I am not seeking to "bash the Union", but a thoughtful review and critique of the Union leadership's decisions over the past 5 years is warranted. Mistakes were made. I see them as honest mistakes, because I have zero evidence to the contrary. Without looking critically at the process that brought us to today, we'll never correct that which needs to be corrected in order to truly improve the working conditions for all of us.

Originally Posted by JT8D (Post 3293715)

Contract was decided during times of record profit and your metric is that “no concessions were taken”. Just curious, did you also consider an F+ to be a passing grade in high school??

Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3293731)

You think ALPA would have done better, I have to a bridge to sell you. Once I figured out that the company hired Jerry Glass, it didn’t take a rocket science to figure out the company’s end goal was taking a split low ball southern offer or see this thing through Arbitration. No union with the RLA intact was going to win this battle.

You can cry me a river all you want. You can huff and puff all you want like a big bad wolf. You can go chase some waterfalls against the advice of TLC. What’s your plan going to be to make lemonade out of lemons?

Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3293727)

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I’m curious what would have been considered fair? Are the rates OK and the work rules bad, both bad, etc? As long as Atlas is an ACMI company competing for contracts and not hauling originating freight, pilots obviously won’t be compensated like brown and purple, but what was the expected outcome? Top of the ACMI companies?