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dera 10-31-2023 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Watto (Post 3718317)
Clarify something for me - I've heard some people saying "outbase min guarantee is more like 145 hours because of CRT" or whatever you call it. I understand from the contract it says 130 hours. I also know that your "base" temporarily changes to whatever outbase you get awarded.

So say for example you have an ICN outbase awarded for a 30 day month, is your credit the greater of:
a. 130 hours
b. 4.84 x 30
c. block (if you beat 130 hours !! *kill me*)
d. something else
e. all of the above
??

Or is CRT not applicable for the 32 in 7 rest and other "off" days (if in ICN in this example) and travel days to and fro if applicable? So something more like 4.84 x 25?

The Atlas contract is a minefield... Hope with the elections coming up there's some reps with a law background in there. Or at least can proofread properly.

130 hour guarantee, but for example, on a 31 day month the rig pays max of 150 hours, because first and last days are often pro-rated due to travel, it tends to hit somewhere around 140-145 hours.
130 guarantee though, don't count for more than that if they send you home a week early.

My outbases so far have averaged 142 hours.

Clue32 10-31-2023 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watto (Post 3718317)
Clarify something for me - I've heard some people saying "outbase min guarantee is more like 145 hours because of CRT" or whatever you call it. I understand from the contract it says 130 hours. I also know that your "base" temporarily changes to whatever outbase you get awarded.

So say for example you have an ICN outbase awarded for a 30 day month, is your credit the greater of:
a. 130 hours
b. 4.84 x 30
c. block (if you beat 130 hours !! *kill me*)
d. something else
e. all of the above
??

Or is CRT not applicable for the 32 in 7 rest and other "off" days (if in ICN in this example) and travel days to and fro if applicable? So something more like 4.84 x 25?

The Atlas contract is a minefield... Hope with the elections coming up there's some reps with a law background in there. Or at least can proofread properly.

Just to add a bit to what Dera wrote. Outbase Min Guarantee is 130, but we will "probably" credit more with CRT.

CRT Formula: TAFB / 4.95 per day
This is how you get a pro rated first and last day.
32 / 7 rest periods are paid regardless of where they are... good thing because I have 3 of them in base this month (54 hours actually).

I was returned a day early and lost a little CRT. Still a good paycheck.

Watto 10-31-2023 11:12 PM

Got it. Makes sense. Thank you Dera and Clue32!

Natca 11-01-2023 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clue32 (Post 3718397)
Just to add a bit to what Dera wrote. Outbase Min Guarantee is 130, but we will "probably" credit more with CRT.

CRT Formula: TAFB / 4.95 per day
This is how you get a pro rated first and last day.
32 / 7 rest periods are paid regardless of where they are... good thing because I have 3 of them in base this month (54 hours actually).

I was returned a day early and lost a little CRT. Still a good paycheck.


For balance you can also credit 140+ hours and have 15 days off at home (or wherever you want) when you choose not to outbase. Not poking a stick just trying to provide a balanced opinion.

To poke the stick, feel free to ask the dera how to do it. Normally the Punjabi reference of the dera yields the best results.

Clue32 11-01-2023 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Natca (Post 3718493)
For balance you can also credit 140+ hours and have 15 days off at home (or wherever you want) when you choose not to outbase. Not poking a stick just trying to provide a balanced opinion.

To poke the stick, feel free to ask the dera how to do it. Normally the Punjabi reference of the dera yields the best results.

We were told this in Indoc, but at least on the 767, there are so few over time trips, and so may super senior FOs, that OT is near impossible for P-Hires >2000. I would love to hear how to do it successfully.


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