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Twin Wasp 03-14-2015 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER (Post 1841919)
All that said, with a little overtime, a pilot in their third year would make about 120k.
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Fifth year I got 111. I guess not enough overtime.

NightIP 03-14-2015 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR (Post 1841700)
What do you work rules say about pay for picking up open time? 150%?

Just to clarify captainv's post, you'll get 6.85 hours for the first day (2+4.85), 8.85 hours for the second day (4+4.85), then 10.85 hours/day (6+4.85) for each day after that (assuming you're out voluntarily). If you're extended involuntarily (rules apply there), the first three days remain the same as above, but the fourth day is worth 16.85 hours (12+4.85). Very rare, though.

OT is how you make good money here (the 10.85 hour days are $1,000+ each as an FO), but I would personally rather have better pay for days on instead.

atpcliff 03-15-2015 07:35 AM

The guy I talked to, that made more than $210k last year, has a normal monthly line of about 95 hours a month. That is not normal.

HVYMETALDRVR 03-15-2015 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 1843151)
Just to clarify captainv's post, you'll get 6.85 hours for the first day (2+4.85), 8.85 hours for the second day (4+4.85), then 10.85 hours/day (6+4.85) for each day after that (assuming you're out voluntarily). If you're extended involuntarily (rules apply there), the first three days remain the same as above, but the fourth day is worth 16.85 hours (12+4.85). Very rare, though.

OT is how you make good money here (the 10.85 hour days are $1,000+ each as an FO), but I would personally rather have better pay for days on instead.

Thanks for clarifying, yeah as a 1st year regional FO I used to pick up OT to make ends meet, but Id rather just make more and not need to pick up OT.

Actually another question then. So if you pick up OT at the end of a trip out of CVG, say a NRT turn and back (CVG based) with 12 hrs rest in between?

So 14 hrs cvg to nrt, then 13 hrs back TAFB being approx 40 hrs (I've never done that flight just guessing). The block is just about the same as the OT above? Are the 2+, 4+, and 6+ added on to the duty rig or the flight time per day?

NightIP 03-15-2015 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR (Post 1843316)
Are the 2+, 4+, and 6+ added on to the duty rig or the flight timeper day?

Good question. What happens at the end of the trip is they compare your credits (block/deadhead) to your rig, and go with whatever is higher. In your example, they'd compare the rig for 40 hours TAFB (8.1 hours) to your block (27 hours). Unfortunately it's not a day-to-day calculation.

So yes, in your example, you'd get 27 hours of pay, plus the 2, 4, 6 (we'll say the trip touches three Z days). 39 hours of pay.

We don't see that kind of credit efficiency on the 767 though, so our rig almost always exceeds the block credit. The 747 guys can overfly rig at times with the long leg lengths.

HVYMETALDRVR 03-15-2015 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 1843339)
Good question. What happens at the end of the trip is they compare your credits (block/deadhead) to your rig, and go with whatever is higher. In your example, they'd compare the rig for 40 hours TAFB (~8 hours) to your block (27 hours).

So yes, in your example, you'd get 27 hours of pay, plus the 2, 4, 6 (we'll say the trip touches three Z days). 39 hours of pay.

We don't see that kind of credit efficiency on the 767 though, so our rig almost always exceeds the block credit. The 747 guys can overfly rig at times with the long leg lengths.

Got it, one last question, what's your deadhead pay?

NightIP 03-15-2015 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR (Post 1843340)
Got it, one last question what's your deadhead pay?

1:2.85. Pretty terrible. For example, a 14 hour deadhead only credits 4.91 hours (14/2.85).

easyflying 03-16-2015 07:43 AM

Night IP I'm not sure if this is what you meant but when you pick up open time it is based on a daily basis. so if on day one I fly 14 hrs. it would be 14+2 if I fly 13 on the second day it would be 27+4, and so on it's the best of rig or actual or schedule block per day on OT.

Crazy Canuck 03-16-2015 08:34 AM

Can anyone tell me what kind of total time is competitive right now? What are people getting hired with?

HVYMETALDRVR 03-16-2015 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 1843343)
1:2.85. Pretty terrible. For example, a 14 hour deadhead only credits 4.91 hours (14/2.85).

Yeah that is rough, thanks.


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