I disagree...No profit sharing...pay me upfront in real money, work rules, and retirement.

I want no part of anything that can be manipulated by some MBA in our HDQ -- isn't that how our current plan is written? Agree that is how it was negotiated in the CBA, but still...

Fool me once, ...

No thanks, no profit sharing...Show me the (real) money.

I'm sure this has been answered
 

Hey guys, so with this thread having 13k plus replies I hope I can get my question answered without having to dig for days

What is the typical schedule at atlas, is it 1 or 2 weeks on and 1 off? What about typical credit hours per check? Or what would a first year guy expect to make beyond the 50 hr guarantee

Thanks

Oh geez....here we go again.

Anyone else care to field this one? I'm tired and can't think of anything good to write.

You owe the company 17 days a month. (does not include company paid ticket for "commuting" to your base) The rest is yours. You can depending on base or aircraft break the 17 days in a row into two chunks. Also if you live in base, you save a day to yourself. Not as good as the Fractionals for getting to and from work-but the next best thing. Hope that helps-

17 days a month. Not worth applying. Stop applying.

I'll just jump in on this one ...

First, you might want to set your sights elsewhere. Atlas is not only unique in its operation, but our overlords have just bought a competitor and they apparently intend to screw us over on a contract that has just begun to be negotiated. It is a difficult job flying 5 extremely different types of 747's (or, in the case of the 767, it'd be pax, cargo, old and new airframes; all different) to airports that may have never seen a 747 in parts of the world that require armed guards to escort us on some of our trips. And all of this for just about half of the compensation packages that other 747 operators offer.

It started out being an interesting job, but being treated as rudely as we have been, I can no longer recommend Atlas to fellow pilots.

Furthermore, many of us have put hours and hours of answers into this thread answering just about every conceivable question you could think of. If you just HAVE to know about Atlas, please grab a large beverage and dive in.

I will, however, try to give you an answer in a nutshell; pilots owe the company 17 days a month usually delivered in one trip on a 30 day line or may be broken into two, three, or four trips in a 60 day line. Hours vary greatly based on which airplane you fly (74 or 76) and whether you fly domestically (mostly 76) or international (both). There is NO typical schedule. Nor will you fly a trip that looks like anything that you bid and were awarded. Schedules change frequently and radically. We fly to six continents on flights that vary from 20 minutes to 16+ hours. The foreign airports that we seem to frequent are HHN, RIX, DXB, LAD, NRT, ICN, HKG, PVG, NGO, AMS, NBO, LEJ, VCP, SCL, LUX, CGO, CKG, LIM, BKK, LGG, AUH, RMS, AVB, BAH, TAR, STN, YEG, MAO ... well, you get the idea. It's not the ten or twenty domestic airports that you'll see flying for Delta.

As far as take home money, I believe that the new 76 guys tend to operate closer to min guarantee than the new 747 guys, but that varies according to your base and seniority. My first year here I was on the 747 and averaged about 72 hours.

If you have any choice at all, I would recommend looking elsewhere. At best, Atlas could get you a 74 or a 76 type to help you on your way to a decent career.

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The management has made it clear that they want a nasty, draw out brawl. I would definitely look elsewhere.

Why do you guys keep saying we "owe" the company 17 days per month? That's not quite accurate, but is a common statement around the company. We are scheduled to a maximum of 17 days. There can be and are lines with less than 17 days of work.

Now, they aren't common. That needs to change. But let's use the correct terminology of a maximum of 17 work days in a bid period. That's the same as a minimum of 13 days off per month; which is the way most contracts word it.

So, you had 1200+ hours in November, just got hired onto the E-175 at Skywest, and yet couldn't be bothered to "sift through 1500 pages of mostly rant and negative comments" to learn about Skywest before accepting a job.

Boy, are you gonna love it here!

Actually, I'm going to save you a lot of work. Show up at the next job fair Atlas attends. (Hopefully, someone will look up it up for you!) Ask the questions you asked above. For extra credit, ask what kinds of jets we fly and what our uniform hats look like. Make sure you bring enough clothes for two months as they'll likely skip the interview and put you on a plane for... Hey, does anybody know where Atlas does their training?

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or if you're being serious. Most regional pilots coming to Atlas are accustomed to working at least 16, and more often than not 19-20 days a month, often with uncommutable trips one one end, sometimes both ends. Yes, 17 days is a lot, and it would be great if the next contract could reduce that to 15 or 16....but most guys coming to Atlas are accustomed to being treated much worse. I'm not sure how the military pilots have it that are exiting the military, but I'm guessing they work at least 17 days a month and rarely get to fly.

It's all a matter of your perspective. Don't like 17 days a month? Let the union know your wishes and negotiate more guaranteed days off in the next contract.