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Elevation 03-14-2024 12:54 PM

I agree with the previous poster's (zero's) advice. I disagree with the rationale. A company is a company and plenty of good people work at all of them. ATSG carriers have separate seniority lists and poorly diversified clientele. So if ATI loses Amazon business you can't cross over and fly AMC charters for Omni for example. The future is unpredictable, however. A few years ago, Atlas was the place to avoid and people were going to ATI. So regardless of which choice you make, you're landing in thr same, general neighborhood.

Regarding homework, I believe people may be referring to old animosities of ATI being an ALPA carrier while others are teamsters. That allows airlines to be pitted against each other. You're not in the wrong for not knowing this. No big deal. There is no absence of due diligence on your part.

There are some (not necessarily zero, but there are some) folks who think that by working at an ALPA carrier you are somehow weakening our bargaining position. Really this is just about the human drive to form tribes. You have to ignore a number of other factors (I'll spare you a long list.) for this to be a significant factor. Screw tribes. Go where it's best for you. Right now I believe Atlas is the best of the okay. Don't skip that class date until you have another one lined up, though

Flyler 03-14-2024 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by Elevation (Post 3781719)
I agree with the previous poster's (zero's) advice. I disagree with the rationale. A company is a company and plenty of good people work at all of them. ATSG carriers have separate seniority lists and poorly diversified clientele. So if ATI loses Amazon business you can't cross over and fly AMC charters for Omni for example. The future is unpredictable, however. A few years ago, Atlas was the place to avoid and people were going to ATI. So regardless of which choice you make, you're landing in thr same, general neighborhood.

Regarding homework, I believe people may be referring to old animosities of ATI being an ALPA carrier while others are teamsters. That allows airlines to be pitted against each other. You're not in the wrong for not knowing this. No big deal. There is no absence of due diligence on your part.

There are some (not necessarily zero, but there are some) folks who think that by working at an ALPA carrier you are somehow weakening our bargaining position. Really this is just about the human drive to form tribes. You have to ignore a number of other factors (I'll spare you a long list.) for this to be a significant factor. Screw tribes. Go where it's best for you. Right now I believe Atlas is the best of the okay. Don't skip that class date until you have another one lined up, though

Thanks for the more nuanced approach. Im likely going to go wth ATI. I think the fast upgrade time will be more suited to my career goals in the long run. Tribes be damned, we're all here trying to navigate the increasingly confusing waters.

sethstonflyer 03-15-2024 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Elevation (Post 3780571)
AMF has decent training, and you've got plenty of experience in real-world flying already. So you've hit it on the head. As long as you read up, prepare and decompress you'll rock.

Thanks for the encouragement! Hopefully, when the time comes I get the call and I look forward to moving on to what I hope is my final job.

TiredSoul 03-17-2024 06:39 AM

Long term? Atlas
Short term? Either one is you’re planning on leaving within two years anyway.
Atlas has a better long term future with the more diversified flying.
Next two years will be a bit of a cluster while Apollo figures out it’s a-hole from its elbow.

schuttaero 03-20-2024 03:46 PM

Can MIA typically be held on the 777 out of training? I understand that base bids change frequently but I’m just wondering how junior is the MIA 777.

Clue32 03-20-2024 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by schuttaero (Post 3783657)
Can MIA typically be held on the 777 out of training? I understand that base bids change frequently but I’m just wondering how junior is the MIA 777.

Not quite. Junior 777 MIA FO DoH is 03 July 2023. There are only 35 slots.

Whitewater06 04-01-2024 02:59 AM

Here's a data point on hiring timeline for anyone wondering. I think the hiring team is working farther out now though.

2/6 - Completed application
2/13 - Phone screen
2/19 Company presentation
2/28 - Interview
2/29 - CJO
4/14 - Class date 777

Atlasvet 04-01-2024 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by Whitewater06 (Post 3787493)
Here's a data point on hiring timeline for anyone wondering. I think the hiring team is working farther out now though.

2/6 - Completed application
2/13 - Phone screen
2/19 Company presentation
2/28 - Interview
2/29 - CJO
4/14 - Class date 777

Please note;

CJO may not happen the next day, especially if there is anything that needs review, e.g. incomplete logbooks, medical about to expire, temporary licenses, etc.

Class assignments are now a few months out, with the exception of those that are available ASAP who might be assigned openings that pop up.

Joe jet 04-03-2024 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by schuttaero (Post 3783657)
Can MIA typically be held on the 777 out of training? I understand that base bids change frequently but I’m just wondering how junior is the MIA 777.

Doesn't really matter anyway as they will pay for all your commuting expenses and arrange flights and hotel; there is virtually no commuting stress at all. That is one of the great attractions of flying for Atlas.

C17B74 04-03-2024 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Joe jet (Post 3788500)
Doesn't really matter anyway as they will pay for all your commuting expenses and arrange flights and hotel; there is virtually no commuting stress at all. That is one of the great attractions of flying for Atlas.

Does matter if said person lives there. Best of any world to live in base; otherwise, yes your statement is almost perfect.


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