I agree with the previous poster's (zero's) advice. I disagree with the rationale. A company is a company and plenty of good people work at all of them. ATSG carriers have separate seniority lists and poorly diversified clientele. So if ATI loses Amazon business you can't cross over and fly AMC charters for Omni for example. The future is unpredictable, however. A few years ago, Atlas was the place to avoid and people were going to ATI. So regardless of which choice you make, you're landing in thr same, general neighborhood.
Regarding homework, I believe people may be referring to old animosities of ATI being an ALPA carrier while others are teamsters. That allows airlines to be pitted against each other. You're not in the wrong for not knowing this. No big deal. There is no absence of due diligence on your part. There are some (not necessarily zero, but there are some) folks who think that by working at an ALPA carrier you are somehow weakening our bargaining position. Really this is just about the human drive to form tribes. You have to ignore a number of other factors (I'll spare you a long list.) for this to be a significant factor. Screw tribes. Go where it's best for you. Right now I believe Atlas is the best of the okay. Don't skip that class date until you have another one lined up, though |
Originally Posted by Elevation
(Post 3781719)
I agree with the previous poster's (zero's) advice. I disagree with the rationale. A company is a company and plenty of good people work at all of them. ATSG carriers have separate seniority lists and poorly diversified clientele. So if ATI loses Amazon business you can't cross over and fly AMC charters for Omni for example. The future is unpredictable, however. A few years ago, Atlas was the place to avoid and people were going to ATI. So regardless of which choice you make, you're landing in thr same, general neighborhood.
Regarding homework, I believe people may be referring to old animosities of ATI being an ALPA carrier while others are teamsters. That allows airlines to be pitted against each other. You're not in the wrong for not knowing this. No big deal. There is no absence of due diligence on your part. There are some (not necessarily zero, but there are some) folks who think that by working at an ALPA carrier you are somehow weakening our bargaining position. Really this is just about the human drive to form tribes. You have to ignore a number of other factors (I'll spare you a long list.) for this to be a significant factor. Screw tribes. Go where it's best for you. Right now I believe Atlas is the best of the okay. Don't skip that class date until you have another one lined up, though |
Originally Posted by Elevation
(Post 3780571)
AMF has decent training, and you've got plenty of experience in real-world flying already. So you've hit it on the head. As long as you read up, prepare and decompress you'll rock.
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Long term? Atlas
Short term? Either one is you’re planning on leaving within two years anyway. Atlas has a better long term future with the more diversified flying. Next two years will be a bit of a cluster while Apollo figures out it’s a-hole from its elbow. |
Can MIA typically be held on the 777 out of training? I understand that base bids change frequently but I’m just wondering how junior is the MIA 777.
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Originally Posted by schuttaero
(Post 3783657)
Can MIA typically be held on the 777 out of training? I understand that base bids change frequently but I’m just wondering how junior is the MIA 777.
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Here's a data point on hiring timeline for anyone wondering. I think the hiring team is working farther out now though.
2/6 - Completed application 2/13 - Phone screen 2/19 Company presentation 2/28 - Interview 2/29 - CJO 4/14 - Class date 777 |
Originally Posted by Whitewater06
(Post 3787493)
Here's a data point on hiring timeline for anyone wondering. I think the hiring team is working farther out now though.
2/6 - Completed application 2/13 - Phone screen 2/19 Company presentation 2/28 - Interview 2/29 - CJO 4/14 - Class date 777 CJO may not happen the next day, especially if there is anything that needs review, e.g. incomplete logbooks, medical about to expire, temporary licenses, etc. Class assignments are now a few months out, with the exception of those that are available ASAP who might be assigned openings that pop up. |
Originally Posted by schuttaero
(Post 3783657)
Can MIA typically be held on the 777 out of training? I understand that base bids change frequently but I’m just wondering how junior is the MIA 777.
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Originally Posted by Joe jet
(Post 3788500)
Doesn't really matter anyway as they will pay for all your commuting expenses and arrange flights and hotel; there is virtually no commuting stress at all. That is one of the great attractions of flying for Atlas.
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