Excellent post. Every time we go around the CBA and set a precedent, we are letting them gain ground and giving them ammunition that can and will be used against us.

Some crews will fly over their contractual duty day after experiencing delays because they don't want to layover in a crap hole; so, they'll fly well over their contractual limits to continue on to a better layover spot. Guys will let the company deadhead them over 20 hours; and, or, put them on a coach ticket domestic over 16 hours. Guys will answer the phone on their off days going into reserve and accept schedule changes when they aren't required to do so. Inside of the 30 hour requirement...and the list goes on and on.... We just had guys volunteer to fly on their days off for free to go to a football game! You can't make this stuff up.

When guys circumnavigate the CBA, sometimes to their personal gain, they're hurting their fellow crews and giving up ground to the company; so, yes, we are ALWAYS in negotiations.

This is not meant as a jab, so seriously...are there many folks at Atlas who have left a legacy or major? And if by furlough, have made the choice to permanently bypass the recall? There are some real qualities of Atlas that would warrant such a decision. Thanks, and thanks as well for the honest assessment of the CBA. You all still are able to talk and educate without the nauseating poo throwing that is so common in other companies threads!

greetings;
not to 'hijack' this thread, but since this is the first monday of the month, did a new hire class start today?
(i mean, that is the title of this thread, right?)

fly safe and NEVER fatigued......

Would definitely be interested in more info on this!

Most of the guys I know that were furloughed by legacies have not chosen to go back. Most of them have been here probably close to 10 years.

Not sure about the guys hired in the boom of the last 2 years

Know of three guys that accepted recall at American in the past few months. Furloughed since 2002, hired at Atlas in the past three years.

And two that I know went back to United...one was here for 3 years, and the other less than a year.

Any rumblings here about AMC canceling the cargo contracts with World and the possible negative effects on other ACMI carriers????

I was at a legacy been here since 2005. Have deffrered recall and not going back as long as things stay the way they are here.

Pros:

Group of days at work means groups of days at home.
No crash pad
no begging for a ride (jumpseat) can't tell you how many times I've been at the gate watching guys negotiate for a ride while I board and sometimes in first or business. HUGE for me as it takes out the stress of commuting
Sweat pants and sweatshirt at top of climb as long as not on the pax birds --get up out of the seat when I want to stretch.
Seeing the world on someone else's dime
If I am going to do long duty days might as well do it in the front of a widebody instead of three to five legs in the 737 or DC-9. Been there done that and in uniform
don't miss passenger flying and playing "info guy" in the airport just because your in uniform.
Upgrade potential -- have passed the 767 due to personal reasons but could hold it after eight years. You're not going to do that at a legacy even to a narrowbody

Cons:

Long stretches away from home but see above
Some crews mentality to disregard the CBA -- education on a nine hour flight sometimes
sometimes no support from headquarters when on the road but have a company credit card so will travel


If I think of others will post and your mileage may vary.

Is upgrade necessary at a legacy when the pay in the right seat, not to mention retirement $ etc, will most likely be much higher than at Atlas? The other points are good, but living in base changes one's QOL considerably. I also wonder if upgrade times at the legacies will come down and be much quicker than Atlas in the long run. Either way, tough choice at the end of the day.