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PhoenixAir 12-03-2013 11:41 PM


Originally Posted by Ducati748Racer (Post 1532399)
Trip trades worked great and PBS wasn't too bad, if we can someday make it back to that.

It only works great if managed correctly and who ever administers it keeps as many options open as possible. PBS would be a huge pain in the a$$ at Atlas. In the wrong hands, PBS will kill any QOL you might have.

742Dash 12-04-2013 01:52 AM


Originally Posted by PhoenixAir (Post 1532764)
It only works great if managed correctly and who ever administers it keeps as many options open as possible. PBS would be a huge pain in the a$$ at Atlas. In the wrong hands, PBS will kill any QOL you might have.

Atlas had PBS for years, there is no need to treat it like a theoretical issue. Been there, done that and everyone hired before 2011 has the tee shirt.

PBS worked well for many, not so well for some. The company's position was, as I understand it, that they didn't care if we went with PBS or lines. We went with lines.

Talon1011 12-04-2013 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by 742Dash (Post 1532773)
Atlas had PBS for years, there is no need to treat it like a theoretical issue. Been there, done that and everyone hired before 2011 has the tee shirt.

PBS worked well for many, not so well for some. The company's position was, as I understand it, that they didn't care if we went with PBS or lines. We went with lines.


PBS worked brilliantly as long as one understood how to bid. As the new guy on the block I was able for my first 2 1/2 years to get my days off all in one chunk when I wanted them. Now with line bidding... not so much. From my standpoint the change was a huge snafu.

744driver 12-04-2013 09:16 AM

We went with Line Bidding because the Polar group had line bidding...at least, that is how the current CBA was negotiated.

744driver 12-04-2013 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by RJCapt (Post 1532586)
That would be great, but unfortunately, EVERYTHING Atlas does, hotel, maintenance, payroll, FAR117 etc is tracked by Aims. So i think it will be a cold day in hell before they will switch away.

I would add to it by saying...

Everything Atlas does is driven by cost analysis, even to the extent that they will violate our CBA...been there, seen it, and so have you...if you don't like it, you can grieve it!!

That said, if it means saving a buck, PBS will be back in a flash...and I believe AIMS can still stay because all the departments feed information into it. PBS is just a bidding module that can be reinstalled, if we/they decide in its favor.

KYTBRD 12-04-2013 10:48 AM

Fr those not familiar, can you please tell me what PBS stands for and what it is.

danam404 12-04-2013 11:07 AM

Preferential bidding system

danam404 12-04-2013 11:08 AM

Basically instead of line bidding you put in preferences for your schedule aka weekends off, all out n backs, long trips with days off stacked, specific days off, etc. and the computer builds you a line based on seniority and tries to honor those preferences

JerrySpringer 12-04-2013 01:59 PM

Scheduling systems are just that, a vehicle to apply the rules one negotiates. GIGO.

While the set of rules we have are SIMILAR, to Polar, the minor, minor differences have caused profound differences to bidding. Same with vacation.

Proper rules negate the type of system used.

KYTBRD 12-04-2013 05:44 PM

Thanks for the reply. I've begun wondering why the line bid system even has detonations? It seems it would be steer to just put in day SPF work without locations. Eems fruitless to put in on when we all know it will be a complete change after day 2.


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