Sydney Day 1-84 degrees and a pleasant day, Coogee Beach is very crowded.
I agree there is too much extraneous chatter on this thread.

I'm just sayin

Kriminy Kriky its only 78 degrees and the beach is full today.

Gotta Love it !!

I'm just sayin

Get a life already.

I'm just sayin

Damn, that trip rig is a beautiful thing...ain't it?!!

Yea. Just looking forward to my time in my next pattern in AUH. But who knows? It might change to NBO.

Not to be negative, because Lord knows that at this point I don't give a cr*p, but it does not serve others well to suggest that Atlas is all about HNL and SYD layovers.

But SYD. Should you be senior. Or junior and lucky. On the first warm day in November. Yes, in fact they are not wearing what you think that they are not wearing down on the rocks.

Finally some feed back. I am junior I just lucked out, I have spent my fair share of time in all the usual places, just trying to give the new hires something to aspire to some day. If you think Hawaii is expensive, wait until you get to Sydney!

$50 dollars lunchs at the Lowenbrau in SYD..... and thats just with one beer.

You can keep your HNL & SYD layovers, I'm about to go on week #4 at home, high of 81, headed to the beach with the family .............. Just sayin ;-)

Spoken like a guy that lives in-base...now, that is something to aspire to. I'm trying to figure out if I want the LA 767 base, since that would be close for me.

sounds like a guy who has figured it out

...and that's how it's done.

So BayBum,

How many different versions of the 74 do you fly again???

Sorry man could not resist

747 info:
Shortest trip-1 day. Other trip lengths in days: 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19, 29 and 31 days. 29 and 31 day trips were two trips back-to-back on purpose.

Original schedule MIA-ORD-HNL-SYD-China-Middle East-Africa-Europe home.

Changed to MIA-Venezuela-MIA-MEM-SJU-MIA-Santiago-Lima-MIA....followed immediately by MIA-ORD-HHN (Hahn, Germany)-Middle East-HKG-DXB-AUH (Abu Dhabi)-HKG-ANC-CVG. Next trip is a 4 day trip.

Most trips for NYC based pilots are 5-16 days.

cliff
GRB

I'm curious (and yes I did not read the 5000 pages on the other thread to find out)..
Are your schedules built such that you report for work and they own you for 17 days straight and you just expect to go wherever they need you, then you are off for 13 days?
I know a lot of the overseas contract jobs are like this, one I looked at was 20 days in country with one day of travel back home on each side, so you only got 8 days home a month.

No.U will be assigned a trip of any length between 1 and 17 days. U know your days off and on. Changes r constant. Days of also vary I lengths of time. U can ask for a minimum number of days off between trips and you will get at least the minimum. Often work less than 17 days in a month.

Just went through the JFK bid pack for this month. A bit over half the lines are 60 day lines, the rest 30. The 30 day lines are 15-17 days at a time. All but one of the 60 day lines have you go to work three times in the 60 days. The company owns you up to 34 days in a 60 day line. Could be three 11 day trips or a 4 day and a 16 and a 14. Never been MIA or ANC based but I've heard they have some shorter trips which work if you live in base.

I've never been gone more than 12 days straight and I have them fly me home on weekends if I'm sitting in base (Cvg). Breaks up a longer stretch nicely with the weekend home. I'm 767.

# 8 on the airplane and I sit R2 in CVG while junior people fly. :mad:

they fly u home???How So

ummm....absolutely not your fault by the way

It's because you're JFK based vs. CVG based. If CVG based, they have to fly you home as a lineholder with more than 48 hours in base. If you switched, you'd be bidding #3 in CVG vs. getting nothing but CVG reserve lines as a senior JFK FO. This is the only way your seniority works for you. As a JFK guy bidding CVG lines, you're essentially junior to every CVG FO. On the plus side, your seat lock expires soon.

I assume and apparently so do you that she (I think she is a she) is in fact a line holder. And yes that is the only way to get sent home. Isnt it a shame that in a seniority based system that this is allowed. Maybe in our next contract we can fix that.

Technically, it doesn't matter if she's a lineholder or not. She could've been on R-1 or R-2 and was then assigned a pattern with a long weekend in CVG in between domestic runs. CBA just says more than 48 hours in base without an assignment. Would've been the same for JFK on those GEO/POS trips if they'd built a long sit in base in between flights.

Seniority works pretty well in CVG. If you're senior, you bid what you want, and for the most part it stays intact. JFK just doesn't have any lines to bid. Seniority counts for bidding your footprint, and that's about it. The DHL stuff just doesn't require many changes (normally). Some of the 747 guys say their patterns change every time they land. That said, I would love to get bid or trip pay protection. That would reassert seniority in a big way.

What type of experience are people getting into Atlas with?

Realistically?

Cheers !

Last trip: ground from home to MKE.airline to MSP.ground to FAR.operate to Iceland.sched 24hrs in Iceland, but delays changed it to immediate airline flight to England. Kent for 2 days.operate top another airport in England...immediately airline to Madrid. 2 days. Operate to central Asia, then leg 2 to Riga. 1 night in Riga. Trip over.airline home from Riga.

Originally I was sched airline to HSV, deadhead to Germany, operate to AUH, operate to SHJ, then deadhead to HKG, ANC,ORD, then airline home. 9 day trip, then 9 days at home.

Next, 2 week+ trip: airline to TX, operate to central Asia....1 night there, operate to Germany, 1 night, operate to central Asia, 1 night.deadhead to Germany, then HSV...then sched over a week of R2 in HSV....but almost guarantee the R2 in HSV will change to sched flying before I get there....

on change 6 to my schedule and I am still 24+ hours from flying my first leg.

cheers

That's wild. How are the hotels & layovers? And do you guys keep all hotel points & frequent flyer miles for personal use?

Some guys are working too hard............:p

Honestly, I'm great with sitting R2...I'd trade ya if I wouldn't be imputed for it. Hopefully this whole issue will start getting fixed this year once you guys start moving to the whale (you guys are cool and all, but please leave... :)).

Cliff, they limo'd you from MSP to FAR? I think I'd shoot myself.

MSP-FAR only about 3.5 hrs. Midwest wx caused all kinds of flight cancellations....it was crazy!

We keep airline and hotel points.most hotels don't get points as special rates for atlas. Most guys who gateway, or who are JFK based have some kind of airline status.

Usually hotels r good to great.sometimes they r crap.

Is IAH relatively easy to get for base?

If you're super senior, yes. Otherwise, not so much.

ATPcliff, while you were being limo'd all over the midwest I went back home for a couple of days then I was able to get out.

You do way too much work for the Travel dept. I give them the info and wait for them to call.

see ya next time at the airport.

Could an ANC based guy expect to see ANC a lot?

I know, I know, the real answer is "it depends." ;)

Yes, you will see a lot of ANC. Almost all trips begin and end in ANC.

Atlas Air Schedule
 

I understand that, I was thinking more of overnights or trips that were shorter than 17 days.

Again, I get the fluidity of life over there.

Junior base and aircraft
 

As a new hire, what could one expect for initial aircraft and base assignment? Are there any peculiarities to certain aircraft schedules or are they all relatively the same?

Thanks!

These last two classes are going to ANC 747. Going forward, who knows. But I'd guess once the bidding freeze on the original 76 guys is up many will bid over to the 74 and future classes will be 76. But who knows, that could all change as well.

As portfo said, ANC 747 or CVG 767. If you get ANC 747 before the seat locks expire starting in September, you may be stuck there for a while. 767 guys will be senior and will probably take more desirable base slots as they come open.

All aircraft schedules are equally peculiar, so to speak. Junior 767 CVG could be domestic DHL night freight, sitting reserve in Asia, or sitting reserve in CVG. Once you start a 747 trip, seems like you can be sent almost anywhere.