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Whale or PolarBear-

What about the arbitrated seniority list that just came out a couple of months ago? Did this get thrown out, or will it stand?

Also, what are the rumors coming from the MIA crew meeting?

Just a few minor corrections

Polar Bear must mean "Scheduled Route Authorities" and even then he is partially wrong. Atlas has route authorities all over the world and in virtually every country including some scheduled into Germany. The Brazillian scheduled rights were Atlas' until AAWW shut down Polar's 4 in favor of letting Polar fly Atlas' 10 slots.

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AAWH has attempted to merge Atlas Air and Polar several times. For reasons unknown to both pilot groups, AAWH has aborted the process. Presently, their is no, repeat, no merger planned. AAWH called off the last attempt this past fall.

This is simply untrue. Atlas has not tried to call off the merger - they have just said that all pilots will be Atlas pilots which was a switch from an earlier position. And the merger is still on and still going forward.

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This past July, AAWH got rid of all of Polar classic 747s. As a result, they terminated the PFEs and furloughed a 100 F/Os. Polar scheduled service did not go away. In fact, Polar was awarded more China routes to Beijing. Instead of growing Polar, AAWH, because of lost ACMI business, decided to "subcontract" the Polar work out to Atlas Air. Atlas Air starting flying approximately 4 a/c and 120 pilots on Polar routes using Polar callsigns.

AAWW got rid of the last three Polar classics and took back the 3 that they were allowing Polar to use for free. Atlas did not just start flying those routes, they have been doing so for years. And flght time-wise it is really only an aircraft and a half worth of routes. They do not fly (are cancelled) if there is not a pre-positioning charter on the front side as the loads ex-US are too small to be profitable.

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This is when the proverbial "sh....t" hit the fan, so to speak. Polar ALPA filed grievances. These greivances were won by the Polar pilots----hence, the reinstatement of all terminated PFEs and furloughed F/Os with full back pay, etc.

A final grievance concerning Atlas Air flying Polar work is awaiting decision from the arbitrator as to the remedy.

One would hope that winning the battles does not mean losing the war.

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To complicate things further, DHL Worldwide just bought a 49% ownership interest of Polar. So as it stands now, AAWH owns 100% of Atlas Air and 51% of Polar. The pilots now have no clue as to what is happening and where this will lead.

Polar Bear is misinformed here too. DHL bought 49% of a company known as Polar World Wide which really has nothing to do with Polar. AAWW still owns Polar Air Cargo and will continue to own 100% of it. As the deal seems to be structured Polar World Wide will not have any pilots at all. All the pilots to fly the aircraft assigned to Polar World Wide will come from the Atlas list which will be made up of the Atlas and Polar pilots IAW the merger agreement in place.

Is Denise Cambone still in charge of pilot hiring?

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Originally Posted by f10a (Post 102096)

Is Denise Cambone still in charge of pilot hiring?

She's still there, but there are furloughs planned for later this year, due to the fleet renewal program. Atlas will start phasing out the classic aircraft, and is scheduled to receive 6 747-8 in 2010 and 6 more in 2011. So it looks like we will shrink, before we start to grow again.

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Originally Posted by jetset (Post 102082)

The list stands as is, but will not be activated until a combined contract is in place.

On the MIA meeting, I've heard from a guy, that got info second hand. Let's see if someone posts info that was there. No sense in getting people riled up and/or worried for nothing.

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Originally Posted by Whaledriver (Post 102112)

From the MIA meeting:

Looks like Polar will be getting Atlas N355MC. All Polar pilots recalled with back pay. Dunno how they will all stay qualified with only one airplane though. Atlas will no longer be performing alliance flying (the "four" aircraft that PB was talking about) - as I said win the battle; lose the war.

Atlas will have some furloughs. The company said the furlough is not related to the Polar arbitration award and is more related to their desire to get completely out of -200 airframes. They will park 2 or 3 Classics by August of 2007. -8's start arriving in 2010.

Estimated completion date for the merger that some think is going away is January or February 2008.

Polar Bear is right on one thing tho - it is the worst Goat-rope I have ever seen. And pretty much anyone who works at either airline knows who the head goat-roper is.

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Originally Posted by Whalefr8 (Post 102162)

I think the answer to this question is in the fact that Atlas will no longer be flying Alliance flying, meaning that Polar will then be free to furlough again.