Southern Air Interview
03-31-2017 | 11:31 PM
#1051
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From: Left Seat
737 upgrade is at least 3-4 years. There were a handful of new hires awarded left seat either in or shortly after training... they went through upgrade and IOE but never saw the left seat. They're now back in the right seat on the Triple. The original contract was for 9 airframes I believe, we are at 5 with no plans for more. Purchase wants this DHL 737 deal to die of natural causes. If you're coming here for an upgrade, don't.
FWIW, people are leaving/about to leave for LCCs. That should tell you a lot. I know of a couple that left BEFORE all of this **** hit the fan and even they said it's light years better. Things have gotten exponentially worse since... If you're driving an RJ, hang out, upgrade, become a check airman. Or, go to Spirit/Frontier/Blue/Virgin if you want a type, but don't come here or Atlas.
FWIW, people are leaving/about to leave for LCCs. That should tell you a lot. I know of a couple that left BEFORE all of this **** hit the fan and even they said it's light years better. Things have gotten exponentially worse since... If you're driving an RJ, hang out, upgrade, become a check airman. Or, go to Spirit/Frontier/Blue/Virgin if you want a type, but don't come here or Atlas.
Yup, I was there when the ************ hit the fan... when Atlas bought S9... I was on the 737... but made a mistake going there... Was hired on the 777 but while in Basic indoc.. was told to go on the 737. I hated and hated that.... but my 2 sim 737 partners quit before their type... I was done with that, and got abused also... did it alone.. was hard... S9 don't care about you... I quit after getting abused.. Left to go back to my Regional that is at my home domicile, live its better, pay its not that great, but I commute to the employee parking lot. the group of pilots there are a great one... to bad it sucks on the management side.
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04-01-2017 | 06:10 AM
#1052
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Yup, I was there when the ************ hit the fan... when Atlas bought S9... I was on the 737... but made a mistake going there... Was hired on the 777 but while in Basic indoc.. was told to go on the 737. I hated and hated that.... but my 2 sim 737 partners quit before their type... I was done with that, and got abused also... did it alone.. was hard... S9 don't care about you... I quit after getting abused.. Left to go back to my Regional that is at my home domicile, live its better, pay its not that great, but I commute to the employee parking lot. the group of pilots there are a great one... to bad it sucks on the management side.
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04-01-2017 | 03:33 PM
#1054
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Joined: Apr 2016
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From: G4 Worldwide
rob,
fwiw, i'm not a great guy. The problem is that airlines are trying to screen out guys who they never want to see on the other side of the negotiating table; guys who know that management sees them as a cost center, and not the engine of their success. In 2006 i was out of work and interviewing anywhere i could. Unfortunately, systematic discrimination against guard and reserve pilots was at its peak then (especially army officers). Now, i'm too old, and have my back to the wall. Let me put my cards on the table; my only hope is to make my current job a good place to be, and have some advantage of my hard earned seniority. If young, impressionable pilots come to southern before we get a fair contract, they only set back my goal. Don"t come here! Wait a year or two until we get a good contract, then come. I promise, you are happier at your corporate/regional/banner tow/flight instructing/fish spotting/power line patrolling/sight seeing job.
A word of advice: Do not interview and burn any bridges by confronting them with their lies and abuse of pilots. If you want the practice, come and interview. If you can fog a mirror, they will offer you a job. Politely, thank them, but inform them that due to family/personal/financial/whatever circumstances, you are unable to accept their offer at this time. Keep the relations cordial. You may be glad you did. A word to the wise is sufficient.
Spike
fwiw, i'm not a great guy. The problem is that airlines are trying to screen out guys who they never want to see on the other side of the negotiating table; guys who know that management sees them as a cost center, and not the engine of their success. In 2006 i was out of work and interviewing anywhere i could. Unfortunately, systematic discrimination against guard and reserve pilots was at its peak then (especially army officers). Now, i'm too old, and have my back to the wall. Let me put my cards on the table; my only hope is to make my current job a good place to be, and have some advantage of my hard earned seniority. If young, impressionable pilots come to southern before we get a fair contract, they only set back my goal. Don"t come here! Wait a year or two until we get a good contract, then come. I promise, you are happier at your corporate/regional/banner tow/flight instructing/fish spotting/power line patrolling/sight seeing job.
A word of advice: Do not interview and burn any bridges by confronting them with their lies and abuse of pilots. If you want the practice, come and interview. If you can fog a mirror, they will offer you a job. Politely, thank them, but inform them that due to family/personal/financial/whatever circumstances, you are unable to accept their offer at this time. Keep the relations cordial. You may be glad you did. A word to the wise is sufficient.
Spike
good advice! I am about to go fly a g4 part 91/135 and always had the desire to fly the big ones and get the intl experience. Still look forward to flying for southern..if you have any other suggestions or insights, please contact me via pm..
I appreciate your help looking out for us
04-02-2017 | 05:52 PM
#1057
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04-02-2017 | 11:16 PM
#1058
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Joined: Apr 2006
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From: B777; Left Seat.
Atlas likes to use its training department to spread disinformation. The latest bogus rumor is that we will get seven B777Fs to operate for DoD under CRAF. Unfortunately, this is totally untrue, since the B777F is completely incompatible with military pallets and loaders. A Boeing engineer in Renton, Washington told me that the design was intentional. They never stop.
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04-03-2017 | 04:49 PM
#1059
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Joined: Oct 2006
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From: 777, sofa
I think somewhere up thread it was stated that one party was interested in a lease, and the other in a sale, and they couldn't bridge the gap, so they called the whole thing off.
04-03-2017 | 04:50 PM
#1060
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To be clear, at one time, Oak Hill (former Southern Air parent company) had options for ten B777 Freighters through its aircraft leasing company. Southern got four to operate for Thai Airways. Oak Hill sold off the remaining six options for cash, years ago.
Atlas likes to use its training department to spread disinformation. The latest bogus rumor is that we will get seven B777Fs to operate for DoD under CRAF. Unfortunately, this is totally untrue, since the B777F is completely incompatible with military pallets and loaders. A Boeing engineer in Renton, Washington told me that the design was intentional. They never stop.
Atlas likes to use its training department to spread disinformation. The latest bogus rumor is that we will get seven B777Fs to operate for DoD under CRAF. Unfortunately, this is totally untrue, since the B777F is completely incompatible with military pallets and loaders. A Boeing engineer in Renton, Washington told me that the design was intentional. They never stop.
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