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TheWeatherman 03-25-2017 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2328893)
There is actually one other way, and that is why I posted the link above. It sounds like the OP may actually fall into the 61.160(f) category, not sure though.

ohh, didn't see that. So you can get hired by a Regional with 1500 hours buy only 200 hours X-Country, but only as a FO until you get 500?

zondaracer 03-25-2017 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2328899)
ohh, didn't see that. So you can get hired by a Regional with 1500 hours buy only 200 hours X-Country, but only as a FO until you get 500?

Correct. Or/and you could be under 23 years old but over 21. So you don't have to go to a university 141 program. You still need 1500 but you get relief on the Ave and cross country time.

BravoPapa 03-25-2017 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2328899)
ohh, didn't see that. So you can get hired by a Regional with 1500 hours buy only 200 hours X-Country, but only as a FO until you get 500?


Originally Posted by zondaracer (Post 2328900)
Correct. Or/and you could be under 23 years old but over 21. So you don't have to go to a university 141 program. You still need 1500 but you get relief on the Ave and cross country time.

Ok, then, so confirmed. I'm over 23, only 200 hours x-country even though just doing part 61 training. Get the other x-country, as a FO/SIC to qualify for CA, which I'm not even concerned about at this point. Just making sure I have the minimums correct along with needing 1500 total hours.

VrefPlus5 03-25-2017 12:00 PM

How do you get the full ATP cert if you currently have the restricted?
I'm guessing there's not additional checkride. Do you still have to submit a 8710 once you reach 500 hours cross country?

Twin Wasp 03-25-2017 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by VrefPlus5 (Post 2329072)
How do you get the full ATP cert if you currently have the restricted?
I'm guessing there's not additional checkride. Do you still have to submit a 8710 once you reach 500 hours cross country?

Exactly. Fill out the form and be able to show you meet the "full" ATP requirements.

word302 03-25-2017 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2328887)
You'd know if you had the R-ATP. Basically, you need to graduate from an FAA approved Part-141 college program to get it. You can also get it by getting your ratings through military flight training.

This is not correct. The approved 141 school or military training is required for reduced total time requirements.

word302 03-25-2017 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by BrianATL (Post 2328992)
Ok, then, so confirmed. I'm over 23, only 200 hours x-country even though just doing part 61 training. Get the other x-country, as a FO/SIC to qualify for CA, which I'm not even concerned about at this point. Just making sure I have the minimums correct along with needing 1500 total hours.

Nothing to worry about anyway. You need 1000 hours as a 121 SIC to qualify as a 121 PIC. All the other requirements will easily be met before this one.

TheWeatherman 03-25-2017 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2329154)
This is not correct. The approved 141 school or military training is required for reduced total time requirements.

Isn't that what I just said?

BravoPapa 03-25-2017 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2329158)
Nothing to worry about anyway. You need 1000 hours as a 121 SIC to qualify as a 121 PIC. All the other requirements will easily be met before this one.

So, are you telling me all I need for the regional is the 1500 hours and the division of minimum time doesn't really matter because I can get all the minimums as a FO/SIC since I need 1000 hours of SIC anyway? That's great news if I'm hearing you right.

HighFlight 03-25-2017 06:54 PM

What he's saying is that once you have the hours for a restricted ATP (sounds like you have them now), the CA thing doesn't matter because once you have the hours needed to upgrade (1,000 121 as an FO), you will be well past the point of moving on to a full-on ATP, no longer a restricted.

In other words, having a restricted ATP in your case means nothing when it comes to upgrading because it will require 1,000 additional hours at a regional.


Originally Posted by BrianATL (Post 2329273)
So, are you telling me all I need for the regional is the 1500 hours and the division of minimum time doesn't really matter because I can get all the minimums as a FO/SIC since I need 1000 hours of SIC anyway? That's great news if I'm hearing you right.



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