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BtownPilot 07-26-2018 08:36 PM

Breaking Training Contract Help
 
I am going to break my contract with my 135. Its a realllly big amount. Am I screwed or is there actually always a way to get out? One reason I am, originally it was suppose to be half the time even as they advertised on their job posting on their website but when I already turned down other positions and moved for the job, boom double the time... Any good attorney recommendations? hopefully I can find one that has never had a client pay out.

Thanks!

TiredSoul 07-26-2018 08:50 PM

Couple of questions:
Why do you want to break it?
Better opportunities?
This company not your ‘thing’ for whatever reason?
What’s so bad about sticking it out?
Some type ratings are really expensive so what kind of money are we talking about?
Don’t fall into the trap of ending up paying your lawyer the same amount.
Make sure you want to burn this bridge as most wont hesitate to call you a bad name when your next employer calls them.
You may just have to man up and sit it out.

LRSRanger 07-26-2018 09:20 PM

When I flew for a large freight company I knew they wouldn’t come after me. They paid me so ********* they knew I was too broke to pay up.

TiredSoul 07-26-2018 10:20 PM

I’m thinking if that company is based in Florida it may not be enforcible but they may refer it to a collection agency and that could ruin an otherwise perfectly nice day.

BtownPilot 07-27-2018 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2643186)
Couple of questions:
Why do you want to break it?
Better opportunities?
This company not your ‘thing’ for whatever reason?
What’s so bad about sticking it out?
Some type ratings are really expensive so what kind of money are we talking about?
Don’t fall into the trap of ending up paying your lawyer the same amount.
Make sure you want to burn this bridge as most wont hesitate to call you a bad name when your next employer calls them.
You may just have to man up and sit it out.

Ill send you a private message with the info as to stay anonymous etc..

BtownPilot 07-27-2018 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LRSRanger (Post 2643197)
When I flew for a large freight company I knew they wouldn’t come after me. They paid me so ********* they knew I was too broke to pay up.

they would just make a payment plan. This contract is $50K+

JohnBurke 07-27-2018 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BtownPilot (Post 2643180)
I am going to break my contract with my 135. Its a realllly big amount. Am I screwed or is there actually always a way to get out? One reason I am, originally it was suppose to be half the time even as they advertised on their job posting on their website but when I already turned down other positions and moved for the job, boom double the time... Any good attorney recommendations? hopefully I can find one that has never had a client pay out.

Thanks!

Is English your second language?

You signed a contract, agreeing to pay for your training or repay the training costs in the event that you failed to honor your commitment to the company, and now you want to dishonor that commitment, correct?

Did you get something in return for this commitment, such as a type rating?

Boom?

What was supposed to be "half the time?" The training period, or the duration of the commitment to the employer? If your training took longer than anticipated, so be it. If you committed to a time period and have fulfilled that time period (a year is customary, but some agreements extend as long as three--and the Chinese routinely use commitments out to 99 years), then you've fulfilled your contract. Are you trying to say that the company is keeping you longer than the term of the contract? It sounds more like you're attempting to say that you think the training took too long, and you want to go somewhere else without fulfilling your contract.

Do you understand that the reason that employers have these contracts is dishonest pilots who take the training and run?

If you are in a situation in which the employer has not met the terms of the contract, or is operating dangerously or illegally, you may have standing to leave prior to fulfilling your end of the bargain.

Apparently you thought it work signing the document to get what you wanted. What has changed?

galaxy flyer 07-27-2018 07:32 AM

What’s your reputation worth? That’s what your selling here. Pay the bill and move on or ride it out.

GF

rickair7777 07-27-2018 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2643360)
What’s your reputation worth? That’s what your selling here. Pay the bill and move on or ride it out.

GF

Yeah, a bad reference from a previous employer, bad credit, or a lawsuit filed against you are not indicators that the best employers like to see. If you get sued, that is a public record FOREVER, and there's nothing to keep a potential employer from accessing and considering that info (regardless of the outcome of the lawsuit).

BtownPilot 07-27-2018 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2643348)
Is English your second language?

You signed a contract, agreeing to pay for your training or repay the training costs in the event that you failed to honor your commitment to the company, and now you want to dishonor that commitment, correct?

Did you get something in return for this commitment, such as a type rating?

Boom?

What was supposed to be "half the time?" The training period, or the duration of the commitment to the employer? If your training took longer than anticipated, so be it. If you committed to a time period and have fulfilled that time period (a year is customary, but some agreements extend as long as three--and the Chinese routinely use commitments out to 99 years), then you've fulfilled your contract. Are you trying to say that the company is keeping you longer than the term of the contract? It sounds more like you're attempting to say that you think the training took too long, and you want to go somewhere else without fulfilling your contract.

Do you understand that the reason that employers have these contracts is dishonest pilots who take the training and run?

If you are in a situation in which the employer has not met the terms of the contract, or is operating dangerously or illegally, you may have standing to leave prior to fulfilling your end of the bargain.

Apparently you thought it work signing the document to get what you wanted. What has changed?

It was suppose to be 18 months as their post said. after turning down 4 other jobs and spending the money to move for the job, they slapped a 2.5 year contract. I had no choice but to sign because I would be out of a job, and spent the money saved for the move. training was fast, was a type rating and I got off IOE 2nd trip. They also guaranteed at 1500 for upgrade which didn't happen. thats why I do not want to stay for those reasons. Also the hires just before me had a 20-25k contract they gave me a 53K contract. Last day of contract balance - 25K and first page of contracts states the employee balance is due on last day of contract' which never happens but they could potentially still request that.

I am at 1 year now. Currently with offers to Regionals.


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