DanR

A friend of a friend is in a position to take me along on some maintenance flights in a Jetstream to give me some turbine time. As the largest aircraft I've flown so far is a Seneca IV, I'm obviously not going to be logging PIC or SIC. If we assume I actually end up helping to fly this aircraft to some extent, is there any way I can log Turbine time legally?

Left Handed

Only if he is an instructor with a jetsream type. Or an ATP with the type. You can always log the radio time though;)

aviatorhi

Why not? AFAIK you don't need an "SIC type" to log SIC if the plane requires two people up front. (I don't know if a Jetstream does or not). And someone will know better than me... but could if be logged as "PIC/Dual Received" if the ATP in command can instruct in that plane towards a type rating (don't flame me too fast, I admit I don't know off hand)?

If he's a MEI that will give you some more option.

rickair7777

You can log anything you want, it's your logbook.

However...employers generally want to see FAR-legal time only (and sometimes they are more stringent than that with regards to PIC).

If the guy is an MEI you can get dual-received. You could also legally do safety pilot time, but future employers would be very suspicious of SP time logged in a ME turbine aircraft...they would suspect (correctly) that the real reason for the flight was not hood time.

If the jetstream were certified for two pilots (I don't think it is), you could log SIC.

Also be aware that at interviews for entry-level jobs, they will usually talk systems about one of the airplanes you have flown...and they often pick the most complex. If you log it, you might end up trying to explain the jetstream electrical or pressurization system at a regional interview.

mmaviator

I was in a similar situation with a CJ2 and a glider. I didn't log either but have made a note in the back pages just as a reminder. Like rickair said I wouldn't want to talk bout the plane other than that I had the chance to fly it for story purposes.

unemployedagain

Isn't the Jetstream a two pilot plane? Would'nt one have to be giving dual in order to meet that requirement?

DanR

Thanks for the replies, guys. He's not an MEI that I know of, but yes it is a two pilot aircraft so my being there was basically a formality. I ended up logging it just as multi/complex time (I don't have room for a turbine column and as I'm starting a job as a CFI I'm not willing to give up the Complex column yet), and I'll leave it off the resume to keep from getting interrogated on Jetstream hydraulics my first regional interview.

Again: thanks for the advice.

rickair7777

I believe it is certified for single pilot ops. It may be certified for either single OR dual pilot ops in which case you could log SIC (comply with part 91 training requirements).

Just because 135/121 operators may use two pilots does NOT mean the aircraft is certified for two pilots for part 91 purposes.

Twin Wasp

The 3100 requires one pilot per the TCDS, the 3200 and 4100 require 2.

And since there is a type rating for the 3100 (which covers the 3200) and 4100, I wouldn't put down PIC.

rickair7777

OK, so you could only log dual received from a typed MEI in the 3100, no PIC.

In the 3200/4100 you could log dual received or SIC. No PIC.