FAA policy 8900.78
07-10-2009, 12:01 PM
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FAA policy 8900.78
Below is an exceprt of proposed policy
NOTICE
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION
NOTICE
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION
N 8900.78
National Policy
Effective Date: 06/24/2009
Cancellation Date: 12/31/2009
SUBJ:
Focused Program Review of Air Carrier Flight Crewmember Training, Qualification and Management
Focused Program Review of Air Carrier Flight Crewmember Training, Qualification and Management
1. Purpose of This Notice. This notice cancels N 8900.77, Focused Program Review of Air Carrier Flight Crewmember Training, Qualification and Management. This notice changes the focus of the requirements of the previous notice and establishes a new deadline. The requirement to conduct a focused program review of Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (14 CFR) part 121 air carrier programs for training, checking and managing flight crewmembers with emphasis on low‑time flight crewmembers and those who have failed evaluation events and/or demonstrated a repetitive need for additional training.
2. Audience. The primary audience for this notice is principal operations inspectors (POI) responsible for the approval, review and surveillance of 14 CFR part 121 air carrier flight crewmember training and qualification programs. The secondary audience includes Flight Standards personnel in certificate-holding district offices (CHDO), branches and divisions in the regions and headquarters.
3. Where You Can Find This Notice. Inspectors can access this notice through the Flight Standards Information Management System (FSIMS) at http://fsims.avs.faa.gov. Operators may find this notice on the Federal Aviation Administration’s (FAA) Web site at Flight Standards Information System (FSIMS).
4. Applicability. This notice applies to all 14 CFR part 121 air carriers with the exception of part 121 air carriers whose aircraft fleets have operation specification (OpSpec) A034 designated Advanced Qualification Program (AQP) curriculums. If OpSpec A034 does not cover all of an air carrier’s fleets, then this notice applies to those fleets not covered.
5. Explanation of Cancellation and Deadline Changes. After reviewing the outcome of the Administrator’s Call to Action on June 15, 2009, Flight Standards realized the need to accelerate the accomplishment of certain provisions in N 8900.77 and to rearrange the priority of the actions required by the notice. Issues concerning pilot training have become highly publicized. FAA needs to demonstrate to Congress and to the public that we can move quickly and decisively to address critical safety issues. Flight Standards management opted to reorder the tasks required by N 8900.77. The requirements remain essentially the same. Because, per agency policy, we cannot issue a change to a notice, we opted to cancel N 8900.77 and to issue this notice with re-prioritized tasks.
6. Background. Recent accidents have made it necessary to validate part 121 air carrier flight crewmember training and qualification programs. We need also to ensure that air carriers have the capability to identify, track, and manage low-time flight crewmembers, as well as those who have failed evaluation events and/or demonstrated a repetitive need for additional training.
a. For the purpose of this notice, we define a low-time flight crewmember as meeting at least one of the following criteria:
(1) One who has either fewer than 1,500 total flight hours in turbojet powered aircraft or fewer than 1,500 hours in 14 CFR parts 121, 135, or military operations; or
(2) Fewer than 300 total flight hours in type with his or her current employer; or
(3) Fewer than 13 months in his or her current crewmember position (not type specific) with their current employer.
b. To determine whether a flight crewmember has demonstrated performance problems, consider his or her training and checking history for a period of five years before the date of the review conducted as per paragraph 7b below.
7. Action. This focused program review has two parts to be implemented by the POIs. In Part I POIs will determine the capability of their carrier to identify, track, and manage low-time flight crewmembers and those who have failed evaluations and/or or have demonstrated a repetitive need for additional training. In Part II POIs will determine that their carriers’ training and qualification programs meet regulatory standards in accordance with FAA guidance.
The rest of this can be found on the FAA website by searching for 8900.78
07-10-2009, 12:06 PM
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I think this proposal if Im reading this correctly means the FAA is less concerned about using 1500 hrs TT as a definition to be a 121 or 135 pilot, but more on ensuring that airlines that have them are capable of tracking them and keeping an eye on them in conjunction witht the POI. However if I read these definitions correctly than a pilot with over 300 hrs in his current airframe but less than 1500 TT is not considered a lo time pilot. My gut says that cant be right. Anyone else have an opinion on this? mabye read it a different way than I did?
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07-10-2009, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TPROP4ever
However if I read these definitions correctly than a pilot with over 300 hrs in his current airframe but less than 1500 TT is not considered a lo time pilot. My gut says that cant be right. Anyone else have an opinion on this? mabye read it a different way than I did?
Also the 1500 hours is not total time, it is 1500 hours turbojet. So 4000 hour 172 captains, as well as 10,000 hour dash-8 captains are also low time for airline purposes.
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07-10-2009, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
No, it use the word OR ...so if you meet any of the three definitions you are a low time pilot.
Also the 1500 hours is not total time, it is 1500 hours turbojet. So 4000 hour 172 captains, as well as 10,000 hour dash-8 captains are also low time for airline purposes.
Also the 1500 hours is not total time, it is 1500 hours turbojet. So 4000 hour 172 captains, as well as 10,000 hour dash-8 captains are also low time for airline purposes.
07-10-2009, 02:15 PM
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actually the more I read it over, a 10,000 hr turbo prop guy is not lo time, because he has more than 1500 at a 121 or 135 carrier. Ooops never mind that dang word OR strikes again. Man they love to write these to be as confusing as possible
07-10-2009, 04:04 PM
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I don't think they really meant to designate all turboprop pilots as "low time" in 121 ops...
I think a non-pilot PR hack or lawyer wrote the language using "buzzwords" she had picked around FAA headquarters. But I will be surprised if they correct it...that would admit the error, and of course the government is infallible and cannot appear otherwise to the people.
I think a non-pilot PR hack or lawyer wrote the language using "buzzwords" she had picked around FAA headquarters. But I will be surprised if they correct it...that would admit the error, and of course the government is infallible and cannot appear otherwise to the people.
07-11-2009, 03:37 PM
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It's either/or.
If you have less than 1500 hours turbo jet or less than 1500 hours 121/135/military, you meet one criteria. Fifteen hundred hours of turboprop in 121 ops gets you out of this part.
If you have less than 300 hours in type with your employer, you are low time. Everytime you transistion to a new type, you're low time.
If you change employers, you're low time.
And when you are hired or upgrade the first time, you are low time for the first 13 months. So when you're first hired, you are low time for 13 months. Then you're not. And when you upgrade you're low time again for another 13 months.
If you have less than 1500 hours turbo jet or less than 1500 hours 121/135/military, you meet one criteria. Fifteen hundred hours of turboprop in 121 ops gets you out of this part.
If you have less than 300 hours in type with your employer, you are low time. Everytime you transistion to a new type, you're low time.
If you change employers, you're low time.
And when you are hired or upgrade the first time, you are low time for the first 13 months. So when you're first hired, you are low time for 13 months. Then you're not. And when you upgrade you're low time again for another 13 months.
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