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wizepilot 05-23-2012 04:40 PM
If you have even just a multi rating, you are covered. Prime example of grandfathering; I had a fair amount of time in C-421's before there was ever a high altitude sign-off. So I never needed to get that sign-off for high altitude and pressurization.

The high-perf endorsement is for aircraft with MORE than 200 H.P. Used to be an Arrow would qualify, but no more. The Arrow qualifies, as well as the Mooney and others, for a complex, because of the retractable gear.

I started flying in 1973, forgive me now cuz I am old, but I do seem to remember that the High-performance and complex were generally signed off in one endorsement back then.

LowSlowT2 05-23-2012 08:37 PM
Originally Posted by wizepilot (Post 1195620)
The high-perf endorsement is for aircraft with MORE than 200 H.P.
I think it used to say 200HP or more and now it says more than 200HP - which eliminated everything with an IO-360 at 200HP...a good thing. Seems like most things with more than 200HP are more utility planes than what we might traditionally think of...

Originally Posted by wizepilot (Post 1195620)
I started flying in 1973, forgive me now cuz I am old, but I do seem to remember that the High-performance and complex were generally signed off in one endorsement back then.
This is what my preliminary research has shown - they were combined, but without as much strict definition it seems. I had one old timer tell me he got a sign off for a plane with flaps, and then another sign off for a plane with electric flaps - both as "complex"....and he told me the complex and hi-perf were combined prior to '97. So, it seems to me that there was some "interpretation" and "judgement" allowed prior to the stricter definitions we have now.

I'd love to assume that since I have an ATP, I'm exempt/grandfathered/whatever for complex (and maybe hi-perf, although I don't "need" that in the immediate foreseeable future). Or that since I got my mil-comp commercial in '93 I'm grandfathered. Or....whatever. Makes sense to me that I'm grandfathered, but....

I'm probably over-thinking this. And, like I said before, if I buy this plane, I'll likely get a couple hours with a CFI just to make myself comfortable (haven't flown a Mooney since '95 and, while I'm sure I could "figure it out", it'd probably be best to get someone to go with me at least for a few bounce & goes around the pattern if nothing else) and I can get an endorsement at that time...


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