PIC Time for ATP from Great Lakes
07-12-2016, 06:57 AM
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PIC Time for ATP from Great Lakes
Hello all!
I'm a little confused as to what I am seeing for the ATP requirements as far as the PIC time required. Read below for me...
"B. Hours as PIC. The applicant must have accumulated at least 250 hours as PIC. SIC hours acquired while performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of a qualified PIC may be credited toward this requirement."
That is taken from the FAA (link at the bottom), and in addition to the 250 hours, you have to have 100 hours XC PIC (and some other night requirements) in order to qualify for the ATP.
I am looking into Great Lakes as an FO on the BE-1900 (I know - the controversial Great Lakes). What I am concerned with is this: I would be going into the FO position (assuming I'm hired) as a fresh graduate from ATP (the school, not the rating), so I would not meet the PIC time requirements. If I build time with Great Lakes, is it even possible to meet ATP requirements as an FO? Or would flight instructing be more beneficial so that I can gain a lot of PIC time in the 172?
Thanks for any insight.
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I'm a little confused as to what I am seeing for the ATP requirements as far as the PIC time required. Read below for me...
"B. Hours as PIC. The applicant must have accumulated at least 250 hours as PIC. SIC hours acquired while performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of a qualified PIC may be credited toward this requirement."
That is taken from the FAA (link at the bottom), and in addition to the 250 hours, you have to have 100 hours XC PIC (and some other night requirements) in order to qualify for the ATP.
I am looking into Great Lakes as an FO on the BE-1900 (I know - the controversial Great Lakes). What I am concerned with is this: I would be going into the FO position (assuming I'm hired) as a fresh graduate from ATP (the school, not the rating), so I would not meet the PIC time requirements. If I build time with Great Lakes, is it even possible to meet ATP requirements as an FO? Or would flight instructing be more beneficial so that I can gain a lot of PIC time in the 172?
Thanks for any insight.
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07-12-2016, 11:48 AM
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Yes, the bar has been set ridiculously low at 250 hours PIC, and compromised even further by destroying that requirement with the alternative compliance as SIC...but do you really want to build a career on the foundation of no experience?
07-12-2016, 12:22 PM
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If you have your CFI, instruct a while. You'll learn more as an instructor than you ever will otherwise. Keep an eye on 135/121 ops all while increasing your knowledge of part 1/61/91 and the AIM. The learning curve will be steep in any 135/121 operation you go to.
07-12-2016, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kiffer245
Hello all!
I'm a little confused as to what I am seeing for the ATP requirements as far as the PIC time required. Read below for me...
"B. Hours as PIC. The applicant must have accumulated at least 250 hours as PIC. SIC hours acquired while performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of a qualified PIC may be credited toward this requirement."
That is taken from the FAA (link at the bottom), and in addition to the 250 hours, you have to have 100 hours XC PIC (and some other night requirements) in order to qualify for the ATP.
I am looking into Great Lakes as an FO on the BE-1900 (I know - the controversial Great Lakes). What I am concerned with is this: I would be going into the FO position (assuming I'm hired) as a fresh graduate from ATP (the school, not the rating), so I would not meet the PIC time requirements. If I build time with Great Lakes, is it even possible to meet ATP requirements as an FO? Or would flight instructing be more beneficial so that I can gain a lot of PIC time in the 172?
Thanks for any insight.
CHAPTER 2
I'm a little confused as to what I am seeing for the ATP requirements as far as the PIC time required. Read below for me...
"B. Hours as PIC. The applicant must have accumulated at least 250 hours as PIC. SIC hours acquired while performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of a qualified PIC may be credited toward this requirement."
That is taken from the FAA (link at the bottom), and in addition to the 250 hours, you have to have 100 hours XC PIC (and some other night requirements) in order to qualify for the ATP.
I am looking into Great Lakes as an FO on the BE-1900 (I know - the controversial Great Lakes). What I am concerned with is this: I would be going into the FO position (assuming I'm hired) as a fresh graduate from ATP (the school, not the rating), so I would not meet the PIC time requirements. If I build time with Great Lakes, is it even possible to meet ATP requirements as an FO? Or would flight instructing be more beneficial so that I can gain a lot of PIC time in the 172?
Thanks for any insight.
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(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A sport, recreational, private, commercial, or airline transport pilot may log pilot in command flight time for flights-
(i) When the pilot is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated, or has sport pilot privileges for that category and class of aircraft, if the aircraft class rating is appropriate;
(ii) When the pilot is the sole occupant in the aircraft;
(iii) When the pilot, except for a holder of a sport or recreational pilot certificate, acts as pilot in command of an aircraft for which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted; or
(iv) When the pilot performs the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a qualified pilot in command provided—
(A) The pilot performing the duties of pilot in command holds a commercial or airline transport pilot certificate and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category and class of aircraft being flown, if a class rating is appropriate;
(B) The pilot performing the duties of pilot in command is undergoing an approved pilot in command training program that includes ground and flight training on the following areas of operation—
(1) Preflight preparation;
(2) Preflight procedures;
(3) Takeoff and departure;
(4) In-flight maneuvers;
(5) Instrument procedures;
(6) Landings and approaches to landings;
(7) Normal and abnormal procedures;
(8) Emergency procedures; and
(9) Postflight procedures;
(C) The supervising pilot in command holds—
(1) A commercial pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate, and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category, class, and type of aircraft being flown, if a class or type rating is required; or
(2) An airline transport pilot certificate and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category, class, and type of aircraft being flown, if a class or type rating is required; and
(D) The supervising pilot in command logs the pilot in command training in the pilot's logbook, certifies the pilot in command training in the pilot's logbook and attests to that certification with his or her signature, and flight instructor certificate number.
(i) When the pilot is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated, or has sport pilot privileges for that category and class of aircraft, if the aircraft class rating is appropriate;
(ii) When the pilot is the sole occupant in the aircraft;
(iii) When the pilot, except for a holder of a sport or recreational pilot certificate, acts as pilot in command of an aircraft for which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted; or
(iv) When the pilot performs the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a qualified pilot in command provided—
(A) The pilot performing the duties of pilot in command holds a commercial or airline transport pilot certificate and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category and class of aircraft being flown, if a class rating is appropriate;
(B) The pilot performing the duties of pilot in command is undergoing an approved pilot in command training program that includes ground and flight training on the following areas of operation—
(1) Preflight preparation;
(2) Preflight procedures;
(3) Takeoff and departure;
(4) In-flight maneuvers;
(5) Instrument procedures;
(6) Landings and approaches to landings;
(7) Normal and abnormal procedures;
(8) Emergency procedures; and
(9) Postflight procedures;
(C) The supervising pilot in command holds—
(1) A commercial pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate, and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category, class, and type of aircraft being flown, if a class or type rating is required; or
(2) An airline transport pilot certificate and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category, class, and type of aircraft being flown, if a class or type rating is required; and
(D) The supervising pilot in command logs the pilot in command training in the pilot's logbook, certifies the pilot in command training in the pilot's logbook and attests to that certification with his or her signature, and flight instructor certificate number.
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