Which US Major Could Order This?
 

http://boomsupersonic.com/airlines/

It sounds like a great concept. Evidently Virgin Atlantic already has an LOI for 10 of the airplanes to fly Transatlantic - Branson is always the risk taker/innovator. Interestingly, it is an "off the shelf" airplane that will use currently made components - not a big stretch in terms of R&D.

For the naysayers, BOOM just received $33 million in funding for their first test airplane (smaller than actual to test the design, etc.):

https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/22/bo...senger-flight/


So, which US airlines could order it? I know Delta would likely wait until they are 30 years old to order them. :D:D:cool:

45 seats...SkyWest, for sure.

It's main use would be transatlantic, and the closer to shore both airports are the better. So JFK-LHR seems ideal, which would only be AA/BA.

And Delta and Virgin.


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Yea, Virgin already has an LOI for 10. I'm not sure it makes sense for DL to order more.

US carriers never bit on the Concorde so I don't see anyone stateside ordering them until/if the concept is proven with years a successful service.


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https://youtu.be/n1QEj09Pe6k

This video explains some of the reasons the Concord didn't last. It's interesting and a lot of the problems with the Concord would apply here too

45 seats....lol

Spirit, LAX to Cuba in 69 minutes. It'll always fly full, cheap seats, but water is $3.

Supersonic transports have been the future for 50 years and will be for the next 50 years.

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Super Cruise doesn't scale, that's as big as they will ever get. That's why I said these will wind up at the regionals.

None.

It absolutely won't fly.

Although the Concorde was cool, it was financially a huge mess.

This plane will not fly. This whole thing looks to me like a way to weasel some bucks from investors with cool graphics and abscond.

How's that saying go? A fool and his money are soon parted?

I congratulate Boom on getting folks to pony up some cash. But that has absolutely no bearing on them actually fielding an aircraft. Lots of VC firms have lost a lot of money over the years betting on something they thought was going to be the new hotness.

Just think, you could totally do JFK-LHR out and backs

Thing has three engines, and seats 45.

This could have a niche market for the super rich as a private jet and maybe the middle eastern carriers where turning a profit is of little concern.

Airlines only care about profits. The economics don't fly. Concorde has a better chance of coming back in limited charter service.

Didn't Braniff operate a few?

The economics of the 50 seaters don't work, yet here we are. But, I agree, if these are bought, they would be at someplace like Delta private jets as a niche item for charter, or diamond medallion, etc. Airlines can bankrupt a contract carrier to get rid of dead weight, so no big deal.

33 million probably is a small fraction of the money needed for R&D of something like this. Doubt it ever flies.

One if the big corporate jet makers would make a supersonic business jet if they thought it would sell, yet they haven't.

The problem is the aircraft needs a 9000ft runway, and has a $200 million sticker price. No one would buy a business jet that can only go from a couple airports, expect a royal from the middle east.

You can have 100 737's, or 10 of these boom jets. This makes them only viable as a lease to an airline for advertising purposes. This was the only value the Concorde had.

Good info, but in every instance where this video discussed turboprops, it showed a piston aircraft. Unfortunately, that makes much of the argument made in the video suspect. I'm not saying I disagree, but I wouldn't use it to argue my position either.

Considering that their business plan depends on it being quiet enough to be allowed to fly over land, "Boom" would seem to be the worst possible choice for a corporate name. It will still have a sonic boom that reaches the ground just (hopefully) a lesser one.

On interchange out of Texas with BA.

Strong rumors about Gulfstream working on one. They have filed some patent applications for shock wave mitigation that have been floating around the internet too.

I'm not sure about scaling up or the economics for major airlines, but I bet the ultra-rich folks will climb over each other to one one. Gulfstream did pretty well in the large-cabin market over the last decade during the downturn that affected the mid-cabin market.

Greensboro, NC selected as manufacturing site...


https://www.usnews.com/news/business...-in-n-carolina

It's been almost 5 years since this thread was made, and Boom hasn't even started on an engine design for this airplane.

Who cares about minor details like engines, when CGI renderings are a faster way to get orders and capital investments.

thought this was a green energy plane without engines?

if only we could look into the past at other supersonic operations and see why they failed. Oh wait, we can. Besides being expensive and loud, you also have the little problem of spare aircraft. If the plane has a maintenance issue you can just book them on the next subsonic flight to London. They paid to go fast. So operators were having to fly empty spares around. Makes it hard to make money and be green flying empty airplanes.

Color me skeptical.

I thought RR was working on the engines?

I believe the term you are looking for is "the check is in the mail"

RR can't get their current line of engines working.

They would most likely used a modified version of the BR715, the same engine on the 717. Supercruise is mostly about inlet aerodynamics. However, there is no way possible this aircraft will be flying in the 2020's. Also, the economics will be atrocious, $10K a seat.

That is true.

The Air Force just tossed them 60 million, for what it’s worth.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022...cial-airliner/

that’s like pentagon throwing a buck into the lotto pool at work

Not if you have a good team that is small. Having been part of test and evaluation at white sands missile range it’s impressive to see what small engineering teams came up with. Traditionally what they would do is all of the leg work on a small budget. Come up with a prototype and then sell it off to the big guys who can actually handle production. Well placed money is worth way more than a 1:1 ratio in the right hands.

How many airplanes , aside from training, does the AF fly that cost less than that per airplane?

That’s actually my prediction with this airplane; I think Boom can get a prototype in the air, I don’t think they can mass produce it. I’m guessing it gets 80-90% done and then Boeing or Airbus swoops in to get it across the finish line.

Not if they're smart. Look at how Tesla flailed trying to do mass production on a passenger car. Boom cannot possibly afford those kinds of growing pains with a transport category jet.

Presumably they're baking the production and mx into the design, with appropriate outside expertise.

United ordered 15 of the Mach 1.7 Overture with 35 more agreed to if Boom delivers…