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AirBear 03-19-2022 08:07 PM

And another Russian General Bites the Dust
 
Fifth Russian General is killed in Ukraine. He was a Lieutenant General, equal to a US Army Major General (2 star):

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe...ef3ab13effb380

rickair7777 03-20-2022 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by AirBear (Post 3391715)
Fifth Russian General is killed in Ukraine. He was a Lieutenant General, equal to a US Army Major General (2 star):

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe...ef3ab13effb380

At least they're leading from the front. Although that's not necessarily a great idea in the era of ESM and precision fires.

emersonbiguns 03-20-2022 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3391788)
At least they're leading from the front. Although that's not necessarily a great idea in the era of ESM and precision fires.

Do you think that’s because they’re leaders or their CCC is AFU?

rickair7777 03-20-2022 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by emersonbiguns (Post 3391952)
Do you think that’s because they’re leaders or their CCC is AFU?

Both. Culturally speaking the professional RU military is not prone to cowardice... they have a rather storied history, are proud of it, and tend to want to live up to that.

In the modern era though, a C3 node attracts precision fire.

MaxQ 03-20-2022 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3391788)
At least they're leading from the front. Although that's not necessarily a great idea in the era of ESM and precision fires.

An Polish newspaper stated that Russian officers/generals have been using ordinary cell phones, making then easy to find and target even if far in the rear.
I have no ready way of confirming if it that is true. If it is so, a tad bit surprising at such carelessness. Or could it be arrogance?

( I should add that I am personally ignorant of the technology involved, so can be easily mislead regarding communication tech and related targeting. I would take no offence at being educated as to fundamental errors in my post)

CBreezy 03-20-2022 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 3391995)
An Polish newspaper stated that Russian officers/generals have been using ordinary cell phones, making then easy to find and target even if far in the rear.
I have no ready way of confirming if it that is true. If it is so, a tad bit surprising at such carelessness. Or could it be arrogance?

( I should add that I am personally ignorant of the technology involved, so can be easily mislead regarding communication tech and related targeting. I would take no offence at being educated as to fundamental errors in my post)

Regardless if it's all true, I can imagine we are gaining a ton of Intel on this operation and the relative ineptitude of their military. I can imagine this is not the show of force the upper echelons thought would happen. That's probably, at least in part, to the culture of fear within the Kremlin and massive corruption. It turns out military parades for the overlords don't actually prepare you for combat.

Excargodog 03-20-2022 10:16 AM

Ground wars take time
 
Heck, even air wars take time.



Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3392007)
Regardless if it's all true, I can imagine we are gaining a ton of Intel on this operation and the relative ineptitude of their military. I can imagine this is not the show of force the upper echelons thought would happen. That's probably, at least in part, to the culture of fear within the Kremlin and massive corruption. It turns out military parades for the overlords don't actually prepare you for combat.

All true - which is not to say that they still aren’t winning.

They continue to tighten the noose:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...LL-ROGGIO.html

People forget that in Desert Storm it took the combined US/German/French/Saudi/Kuwaiti/and other forces 7 weeks just to get the Iraqis out of Kuwait.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time...ar_(1990–1991)


Or that the eventual NATO mission to Kosovo had an even longer timeline:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front.../etc/cron.html


Barring something taking Putin out of power this could well go on for years and although the Ukrainians are putting up a pretty good fight they are still losing, and their infrastructure is behind destroyed in the process. Just the 3.5 million refugees that have left the country and an estimated 10 million (out of 45 million) people internally displaced means the economy is shot.

And Europe, China, and India are still buying Russian oil and natural gas. Those are pretty huge markets.

GogglesPisano 03-20-2022 11:03 AM

Let me know when they take out a Field Marshal.

rickair7777 03-20-2022 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 3391995)
An Polish newspaper stated that Russian officers/generals have been using ordinary cell phones, making then easy to find and target even if far in the rear.
I have no ready way of confirming if it that is true. If it is so, a tad bit surprising at such carelessness. Or could it be arrogance?

Possible, if their military comms systems aren't working. Coms always tend to suck, in the best of times... and the red army is starting to look pretty threadbare right now. Desperation is probably a better adjective, they should absolutely know better.

Even if UA can't intercept that stuff (I suspect they can), they have lots of friends who can.

SonicFlyer 03-20-2022 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3390311)
We have not done that in a very long time, short of actual regime changes subsequent to a war.

There is a very, very big difference between "staging" a coup, and aligning with or even aiding an opposition party. Helping a good cause is not a bad thing (unless you're the bad guy).

Did we do it in the 50's and 60's? Sure, and Frank Church put an end to it when I was a little kid.

LOL, as far as you know.... ha ha ha..... do you really think they are going to publicize it?


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