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Originally Posted by Naviator (Post 3304734)

actually given my responses the position from which I’m responding would be better referred to as promoter, not recruiter.

https://www.qualtrics.com/experience...romoter-score/

LOL.

Filler.

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Originally Posted by Naviator (Post 3304711)

nobody is flying the A220-300 yet. The pay scale will probably change 3-4 times before anyone earns hourly pay on that plane.

1) do you have 220s on property? Yes.
2) do you have pilots in 220 training? Yes.
3) does that make your rates relevant? Yes.
4) do you have a current rate for them? I think you do from what a buddy told me. I think it’s a blended rate (ie the same rate as your abysmal 190 rates).

please correct any of the above, as I don’t work there, just trying to get some info in case I want to put in an app there.

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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3304737)

I don't think Breeze is a scab airline. It doesn't exist to get around anyone else's labor contract etc etc.. it's just an airline sold to pilots as the next jetblue. And because of that, everyone is taking in the teeth on pay and benefits. Neeleman hasn't even delivered on the original value proposition.

A non union startup aimed squarely at the unionized LCCs? A SkyWest with big planes? This sort of thing was discussed in great length in Flying the Line I and was always challenged or unionized. Long & Harmon, Century, and Texas Air come to mind.

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Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3304744)

I see your point. I just think it's more of a competitive advantage manufactured by low wages and exploitive hiring practices with the college kids. I don't think it's comparable to what happened with gojet.

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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3304756)

GoJet (and Freedom Air before it) was an example of Alter Ego. That's a completely different issue.

I am hoping to get honest intel about Breeze. I've read through all the comments. Not looking for judgement, just facts. I think it would be helpful to gather as much known info in one place. If you know the answers personally please help out.

1. A220 Pay Rates CA/FO
2. Benefits (retirement)
3. Stock Options if any
4. Benefits (medical)
5. Benefits (vacation)
6. A220 Bases
7. Pilots on Seniority List (05OCT21)
8. Commuter Benefits if any

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Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3304760)

GoJet (and Freedom Air before it) was an example of Alter Ego. That's a completely different issue.

Wait, am I making your point or are you making mine? 😆

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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3304737)

Not a scab operation (hopefully they won't hire any), and not an alter-ego by any means.

Just a startup.

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Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3304661)

Allegiant A320, August 2021 year 2 (lowest paid Airbus pilots in the USA):
FO $103.07
CA $171.42
70 hour line guarantee, 72 hours reserve. 130% pay above 81 hours.

Breeze pay is pathetic, and I'm sick of seeing everyone on here try to sell it like its Invacare or something.

Neeleman sure knows how to recruit members to his cult of personality, though.

Maybe the major airlines should just refuse to hire anyone who takes a job here. Clearly they have no self esteem as pilots, and don't value their skills at all. Not very self aware either. I bet Breeze would be gone in a year due to lack of pilots if everyone got a mark on their record for selling out here. But unfortunately, this industry is full of people willing to step on someone's neck to move up the ladder one rung, and some airline always willing to reward them for doing it.

Hahaha someone got the TBNT from Breeze. Who are you to tell anyone they’re a sell out for going to breeze. My buddy there did what he thought was best for him and his family. He’s gambling and it could pay off big. What was he supposed to do? Sit at a regional for 20 years and hope daddy D calls ?? Give me a break. You sound like those Vaxers demanding everyone else gets vaccinated so theirs will work. If ppl want to take a chance on breeze that’s their prerogative. Btw the majors are scooping them up like crazy. Breeze needs to certainly improve on pay and work rules but the freaking airline has been operational for less than 6 months and everyone expects them to be industry leading. If breeze works for you apply If it doesn’t then don’t. These types of rants are just straight up ignorant.

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Originally Posted by Hiatus (Post 3304765)

All great and fair questions that would be easily answered if there was a Breeze profile on APC. Is there any reason why there isn’t one?