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StateChamps06 10-12-2021 07:54 AM

Is this a Breeze forum or Allegiant? Nobody cares how big or small your sausage is at Allegiant.

TrojanCMH 10-12-2021 09:23 AM

[Breeze] Airways
 

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3307750)
I am not sure where you get your information but most of what you post is false. First on Allegiant being the most profitable airline there is zero to support that. Allegiant does not report the airlines true profits of break them out from the parent companies results. No one knows what Allegiant makes. Estimates don’t have it nearly the most profitable on any basis.
As far as pilot pay Allegiant has not just lagged but severely lagged the industry. There is not a single year where they led the industry or even close. In many years the made half what the majors made and jet blue generally makes 50% more. You seem to not understand the value of soft money in a pilot contract. Your claims about leapfrogging everyone in 2016 are simply not true as Delta had already reached a tentative contract agreement months before Allegiant setting new highs for pilot pay and Allegiant did not come near those rates. In addition that TA at Delta was voted down and higher rates were quickly achieved.
The next area that’s critical in a contract is the benefit package. Allegiant’s is not just low it’s absurdly low. In 2019 the last year with full reporting it was 12,000 per pilot. The Majors including SWA and JetBlue were above 60,000 and that does not include profit sharing. Overall it appears Allegiant and Spirit have been racing each other to be dead last in total pilot compensation.
Here is a statement on where Allegiant actually makes its money.
The commissions that it earns is what makes Allegiant Air different from other airlines. They make profits from selling hotel rooms, rental cars, even Everglades boat tours and theme-park tickets. Not only that but they also get people to attend sales presentations for townhouses or condominiums.


A race to the bottom huh?

Spirit pilots risked it all when they went on strike in 2010 to improve their contract. When’s the last time Delta pilots took the walk? Once the strike was over they were paid higher than their peers at United and had qol provisions that were arguably better than the legacies. Then for contract 2018 not only were we sued by management after a really ugly 3 years of negotiations but we managed to obtain a 43% pay raise (largest in history by a US 121 carrier I believe), a 401k dc comparable to the legacy airlines, health care and QOL that many think is better than their legacy counterparts. Granted there is still room to improve and raise the bar but to call it a race to the bottom is ignorant and elitist. Also last time I checked all of Spirit and Allegiant’s flying is done in house by seniority list pilots and not farmed out to sub contractor regionals…

Not really sure about the history of allegiant but I’m sure they fought hard for what they have and will continue to do so. So please explain again how this is a race to the bottom?

Get off your high horse and take your blinders off. The elitist attitude of certain pilot groups needs to end.

TeeKay421 10-12-2021 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Naviator (Post 3307702)
one or more per month. 10 per class.

not sure where 220 training will be next year.

Montreal….

Hiatus 10-12-2021 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by TeeKay421 (Post 3307960)
Montreal….

Where is it now? Are interviews that are happening now staffing for classes next year?

TeeKay421 10-12-2021 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Hiatus (Post 3307981)
Where is it now? Are interviews that are happening now staffing for classes next year?

The A220 DEC and CQFO pilot pools started filling up in August. I imagine the current interviews are going to add to the pool.

CLE to IAH 10-12-2021 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by StateChamps06 (Post 3307891)
Is this a Breeze forum or Allegiant? Nobody cares how big or small your sausage is at Allegiant.

it’s neither.

av8tor106 10-12-2021 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2616618)
Neeleman is a great starter, but a bad finisher.

So this is Alligiant with jb flare?


this is worst than alligiant, trent porter is ruunning this company. i rest my case

CLE to IAH 10-12-2021 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by duckman (Post 3307882)
Hello Everyone!

I have a video interview with Breeze Airways. I was wondering if any of you all could PM with what they asked you and what I should study to prepare for the interview. I appreciate all your help!

Thanks again,
duckman


latest gouge I can find,


1. can you breathe?

2. are you breathing now?

3. do you plan to keep breathing?

4. TMAAT you breathed.

5. when can you start?

StateChamps06 10-12-2021 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3308269)
latest gouge I can find,


1. can you breathe?

2. are you breathing now?

3. do you plan to keep breathing?

4. TMAAT you breathed.

5. when can you start?

That’s getting a little too personal for me

310skying 10-12-2021 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 3307863)
Not sure where you get this Information from, but Allegiant absolutely does break out its Airline earnings from other earnings. We are a publicly traded company and all of the financial information is available. That is true of all airlines (except for Frontier until their IPO), and we all report the same information . Any analysis that leaves Allegiant out from most profitable likely did it because they only included the legacy carriers + SW. Otherwise, our average ticket revenues are $126 each way (up 10% since 2019). Ancillary revenue was $62 (up 15% since 2019). As the ancillary revenue includes the hotel and car rental commissions on top of the bag fees, the highlighted profits you mention represent a small amount of our overall revenue. Yes, these revenues are the most high profit margin items, but so is AA's sale of billions of miles to citi bank, etc.

Yes, our contract needs work, but when it was signed in 2015, the environment was very different than today, and movement at Allegiant was very different than it was at Delta back then (i.e. FOs were upgrading to captain in desirable bases in 12 months, little to no reserve, etc). Things are very different today and things look very favorable for us to receive a great contract.

flydiamond to the rescue, pretty much said everything I was going to say. Ps if you want to find the most valuable pilot in the industry… take market cap and divide it by the number of pilots on the seniority list. Hint: it’s Allegiant again. Also Allegiant isn’t the lowest paid narrow body operator, breeze, avelo, Miami, sunny etc are all lower. What’s truly sad about breeze and why you are so harmful to the industry is you are doing for less than regional wages. Allegiant has never been less than a regional.


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