Just curious if the other legacy carriers.....and their pilots........flew Eastern routes when they were on strike????????

You are claiming if airline X is on strike and normally flies JFK-LAX, then airline Y is crossing a picked line if they fly JFK-LAX?

That is exactly what he is saying.The RLA makes it really hard to achieve that scab status, so he's just trolling to get the recognition.

If you had more than 5 minutes in the airline industry, you'd realize that competing airlines flying a striking airline's routes helps the cause, not hurts it. It apples pressure to the company, as they watch the competition grab their market share.

What would be scab worthy would be if alter ego pilots who work for the same parent company started flying routes they don't normally fly. For example, the Comair strike, if Delta and ASA had started flying Comair routes they didn't fly previously.

Now before you try a ha ha gotcha moment, that may diminish my uncalled for comment that you are scabs, but you are certainly still cockroaches for flying mainline equipment at regional compensation. You're putting downward pressure on every other contract in the industry. And you're proud of it.

Cockroaches never die. So there’s that.

This is correct. The point of a strike is to pressure YOUR company, not all the other airlines. As long as you're not earning money for the striking airline it's just business.

Anybody know how code shares fall into that though? Ie say a code-share airline allocates flying to cover struck work? Has that even happened?


Do not use the "S" word here for anything other than it's doctrinal meaning, ie crossing a picket line.

Just to add to that-

Let's keep ALL the insulting remarks out of the conversation. I know many are not happy for what breeze pilots are earning pay wise but calling them cockroaches and scabs is way over the top.

I apologized for saying the S word in a backhanded way, but I will agree directly that it isn't appropriate to this situation.

It's frustrating to those of us who have spent a lifetime in this industry, fighting to raise the standards, to see young pilots come along willing to do the job for less, without remorse. I just really don't have a good answer to that. Even when we saw "startups" like People Express, Kiwi, and Jet Blue, they offered industry standard pay, or other forms of compensation (stock) to woo pilots into taking a risk on a startup. Nowadays, it's pure SJS (Shiny Jet Syndrome for you youngsters who may have never heard the term). We can't compete with that. It dumbs down the entire industry.

But out of respect to you and Rick, I'll say no more on this topic.

This thread isn't even about Breeze anymore. Anyone that tries to talk about Breeze gets ignored by people arguing about Eastern scabs and if Allegiant pays more than Delta. Don't get me wrong, the gripes about pilots undercutting each other are legitimate and should be frustrating to everyone, but reality is that isn't going to change anytime soon and these companies know it. Just go look at the 20 somethings hired at any regional these days, sure the pay is a little higher, but the shiny jet syndrome is all the same.


Is it possible that one of the key selling points about Breeze is also the bases and schedules are nothing like what you get at a standard airline and some people just want that kind of change of pace, and unlike Allegiant it's still probably possible to hold a desired base in not that long or straight out of class? Is Breeze really hiring "young" pilots that don't know any better and have shiny jet syndrome, or are they hiring the guys that might have flown at a regional for a bit, 121 supplemental, 91K, 135, and want something that gives them a better QOL if they live in one of the bases? While yes, pay should always be better, some guys may have just come to the conclusion that in this career you either get good pay or good QOL, but you rarely get both, and is it possible Breeze might be the right fit for some people from that perspective and they're not trying to be scabs or hurt some other airline's pilots?

Is it possible that one of the key selling points about Breeze is also the bases and schedules are nothing like what you get at a standard airline and some people just want that kind of change of pace, and unlike Allegiant it's still probably possible to hold a desired base in not that long or straight out of class? Is Breeze really hiring "young" pilots that don't know any better and have shiny jet syndrome, or are they hiring the guys that might have flown at a regional for a bit, 121 supplemental, 91K, 135, and want something that gives them a better QOL if they live in one of the bases? While yes, pay should always be better, some guys may have just come to the conclusion that in this career you either get good pay or good QOL, but you rarely get both, and is it possible Breeze might be the right fit for some people from that perspective and they're not trying to be scabs or hurt some other airline's pilots?[/QUOTE]

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Most guys at Breeze have been in the game a lonnnng time. This is not a bunch of CFI’s just happy they’re flying a jet. They’re looking for better QOL (home Every night) and breeze still pays better than a regional (9E comparison tops out at 127 15 hrs. Breeze first year Capt pay 2022 $130)So none of them considered it a lateral move, just a gamble or stepping stone. Plus the top 80% of each base is getting 18-20 days off crediting 70-85 hrs per month (not bad at all). Ppl will argue breeze has no work rules and soft pay etc.. which is true but the company is not jr manning anyone (they totally could) they’re not hassling ppl about missed commutes and sick call outs, and they really seem to want to make it a good place to work. It’s just going to take time. I wouldn’t advise anyone to stay there long term but if you live In one of their bases why would nt you go there to make more money and to be home every night? If other carriers are going to use a start up with less than 100 pilots as leverage when negotiating, I think we have bigger problems. Breeze is not bringing anyone down. Calm your tits.