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Tpinks 10-24-2021 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by chihuahua (Post 3313325)
That makes sense, I just thought originally the plan was for Breeze to start in 2020 with all A220s, and then the reality of what was going in the world and the fact Airbus can only build A220s so fast caused them to go with the E-Jet and delay their launch for a year. I would think there will be a decent amount of E190s coming available from Jetblue in the coming years, so it would make sense for Neelman to pick those up, especially considering they were his planes to begin with.

originally yes, the plan was A220 from the get go and the Ejets were an interim solution for launching earlier than Airbus could supply A220’s… however things changed pretty rapidly and the Ejet economics changed and has become an integral part of our system, so it’s a long term fleet.

spottedcow 10-24-2021 04:44 PM

Does the seat lock apply in the event of upgrade, I.E. if you are hired into the E-195 are you only allowed to upgrade into the E-195 and not the A220 during the duration of the seat lock?

chihuahua 10-24-2021 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by spottedcow (Post 3313554)
Does the seat lock apply in the event of upgrade, I.E. if you are hired into the E-195 are you only allowed to upgrade into the E-195 and not the A220 during the duration of the seat lock?

It sounds like it's more of an equipment lock than a seat lock, where you stay on the fleet you were hired for. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jetblue have a fence between the E190 and A320 fleet for a while at the start as well? Either way, sounds like the E190 and A220 at Breeze are going to be filling somewhat different roles.

David Puddy 10-25-2021 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by chihuahua (Post 3313570)
It sounds like it's more of an equipment lock than a seat lock, where you stay on the fleet you were hired for. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jetblue have a fence between the E190 and A320 fleet for a while at the start as well? Either way, sounds like the E190 and A220 at Breeze are going to be filling somewhat different roles.

I thought someone said a 3 year equipment lock but I could be mistaken…. The E190/95 makes sense if you want to fly out-and-backs like Allegiant and sleep in your own bed. Should be very interesting to see how they use the A220 considering it’s range flexibility and low break even load factor… And dang it do look good in blue:

https://www.ktvn.com/story/44717505/...0-300-aircraft

Can’t wait to see it on the line soon.

StateChamps06 10-25-2021 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 3313927)
I thought someone said a 3 year equipment lock but I could be mistaken…. The E190/95 makes sense if you want to fly out-and-backs like Allegiant and sleep in your own bed. Should be very interesting to see how they use the A220 considering it’s range flexibility and low break even load factor… And dang it do look good in blue:

https://www.ktvn.com/story/44717505/...0-300-aircraft

Can’t wait to see it on the line soon.

Speaking of the A220, I’m curious myself. I’ve noticed more interest of Legacy’s in the 220 and am wondering if Breeze isn’t grabbing a market by the lug nuts and remodeling route structures as we know it. Could be an interesting period of growth (which I think it will be and in a great way) and a once in a lifetime opportunity. Seems this business model was slowly trending up prior to the COVID ground-stop but was exaggerated during the Great Recovery and is a race to expand a market and open new route opportunities. Too early to talk mergers? Perhaps, but I wouldn’t ride that off as a possibility in the not so distant future. Looking at previous acquisitions of other carriers, I can’t help but think that is a possibility.

Swapapotamoose 10-26-2021 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by StateChamps06 (Post 3314042)
Speaking of the A220, I’m curious myself. I’ve noticed more interest of Legacy’s in the 220 and am wondering if Breeze isn’t grabbing a market by the lug nuts and remodeling route structures as we know it. Could be an interesting period of growth (which I think it will be and in a great way) and a once in a lifetime opportunity. Seems this business model was slowly trending up prior to the COVID ground-stop but was exaggerated during the Great Recovery and is a race to expand a market and open new route opportunities. Too early to talk mergers? Perhaps, but I wouldn’t ride that off as a possibility in the not so distant future. Looking at previous acquisitions of other carriers, I can’t help but think that is a possibility.


There’s speculation David wants JB back and Breeze could be a way to do it.

odinstink 10-26-2021 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose (Post 3312443)
What’s avelo and sunny paying these days ??

Avelo just got a raise, looks like basically Alligeant pay but better 1st FO pay and worse 1st CA. I hear soft pay is a different story.


FO 1- 70/hr. CA. 1- 135
2- 105. 2- 165
3- 111. 3- 180
4- 117. 4- 185
5- 124 5- 190

also get housing allowance increased to 1800/month

Naviator 10-26-2021 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by odinstink (Post 3314207)
Avelo just got a raise, looks like basically Alligeant pay with much better 1st FO pay. I hear soft pay is a different story.

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link doesn’t work

odinstink 10-26-2021 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by Naviator (Post 3314209)
link doesn’t work

thanks, I just edited it to type it out since it wasn’t much information

hotmicoffNOW 10-26-2021 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 3312721)
What’s the current discount. 25%?

I still have not paid a single dollar for a snack operating a flight FWIW


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