$2500 plus per deim ($39/day)

Kinda funny you keep coming back here to talk when the 220 pay scale is pretty close to Allegiants at this point. If Breeze is garbage what's that make Allegiant? Garbage+?

I mean, Allegiant charges you to print boarding passes, 40lbs baggage limit, and pay for refreshments. So yeah Garbage+

Breeze pilots work for less, which puts pressure against industry wages and work rules (since this industry based largely on pattern bargaining). Same sentiment surrounded B6, same sentiment surrounds every start up that uses SJS and early seniority to subsidize wages and do more with less sniping pax with resultant lower fares from established carriers. Especially when you’re poaching RJ pilots just happy to fly something with more than 76 seats. Doing it when everyone else is going thru bankruptcy and no one is hiring is one thing. But right now, you could go pretty much anywhere and have a good career.

That’s one of the problems with this industry…as airlines mature and longevity increases, costs go up, so any swinging Richard can raise money, start a new airline which operates for less, undercut everyone else, take market share, end up bankrupt or sold/merged, and the cycle repeats, which ultimately hurts the piloting profession. It’s kind of a don’t hate the player, hate the game, scenario, but if nobody went to breeze, they’d either raise wages or fold. So, the players do have a say in it. “But it’s better than mesa, so I’m doing better for myself and my family. It’s a Neeleman company and I’ll be double digit seniority for my whole career and we will make jetblue pay in 5 years after we ask for it nicely enough because we are the nicest airline.” Yeah. Sure. If this ALPA drive actually makes it, that will help. Hope you learn from JetBlue’s mistake of taking 15 years and 3 union drives to finally do it. Just my $.02 why trolls come around here.

The game is called capitalism and unless you want something else here in the US you play or go home. For years we had 3 pizza shops in my little town but now we have 6 . Someone may not survive .

No…it’s not. Working under the RLA and in seniority based systems that pay based on seniority and longevity, not experience and quality, are not true capitalism. I can’t leave my captain job and associated pay at one airline and carry it to another based on my experience. A start up that capitalizes on that fact and substitutes seniority for pay kind of ruins the whole capitalism aspect of it. In true free market capitalism (like in most other 200-300k jobs), if I’m unhappy with my employer or I got a better offer elsewhere, I could leave and start over and never skip a beat. Can’t do that in this industry.

I’m here because I interviewed as an initial cadre pilot. I met with the team who were trying to get this thing going before COVID. They were good people trying to get something off the ground. I passed on F9, in 2010, Allegiant in 16. I also passed on B6 and NK. Call me crazy but I was genuinely intrigued by this startup and being part of something new. With COVID throwing a wrench in things and me not getting any younger I decided to go with one of the big 6.

I’m here because I wish the best for these guys and gals and I’m interested in how things are going for them.

You’re here to be an immature petulance and to feel better about yourself at others expense. YOU and your ilk are making this thread less interesting and enjoyable. You contribute nothing to no-one here.

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Breeze pilots making less puts near zero downwards pressure on industry wages. Their size and marketshare is so negligible and their pilot group so small that they have no impact. Should Breeze ever grow to be a major player, as to make a dent in the pilot job market, they would need to offer competitive packages as well. I suggest anyone who is worried about their own disposition because of a startup airline change tactics from vinegar to honey. These guys are going to need to battle their way up in terms and conditions just like SWA and UPS pilots had to in the past decades. Offer some support and mentorship. If you can’t do it because you’re a decent human being do it for your own selfish sake.

They have 126 planes on property or on order, with more options, and plans to get more than that. Saying they don’t matter and don’t affect the industry is naive, from both a market share and labor wage standpoint. They likely won’t make it into contract comparison guides in the next year or two, but by the end of this negotiating cycle (2-3 years maybe for most majors?) and certainly the next cycle will contain their rates as points of comparison.

why's he constantly sharing his enlightened insight here? Because it's Five o'clock somewhere. 🍻