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Sausage 07-21-2022 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by bonvoyage (Post 3464653)
Really I’m not surprised. We outsourced our recruiting team, plus the training curriculum has not been updated to account for someone with no experience. And there is no communication between departments about that fault. I’m sure it will go like everything else at Breeze. We will all live and learn and adapt from it.

Except the adaptation part never happens. Green on green flying with charters is going to be fun 😬

shortspatula 07-21-2022 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by WijkocvLife (Post 3464563)
Who the hell would want to work at breeze? Even envoy/Piedmont pays better at this point

I.

Because they’re upgrading and hiring DECs at breeze. You’ll be swinging gear doing red eyes at Frontier and spirt for a while before you upgrade. Quick movement is basically the main reason people come over. I just hope hiring CFIs isn’t their actual staffing strategy because that’s kind of scary, most I’ve seen are former RJ FOs and DECs

sailingfun 07-22-2022 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by shortspatula (Post 3464760)
Because they’re upgrading and hiring DECs at breeze. You’ll be swinging gear doing red eyes at Frontier and spirt for a while before you upgrade. Quick movement is basically the main reason people come over. I just hope hiring CFIs isn’t their actual staffing strategy because that’s kind of scary, most I’ve seen are former RJ FOs and DECs

Being a DEC with a 172 CFI as a FO seems like a recipe for a flight violation. Maybe Breeze wants it that way because now your stuck.

chihuahua 07-22-2022 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by Mscott (Post 3462948)
Yeah, Im going to put in apps to the majors too, just didn't think they'd cover the ATP-CTP etc I did ask a regional if they'd cover it but they said they wouldn't help convert the licence, even though its exactly the same thing I need to do as a FAA CP holder. But who knows!

Ill have about 1600-1700 by the time I am available (current work notice a my Airline is three months, I've got 1.5 left!) and over 1300 hours on 41000lbs or greater aircraft.

It's probably because even if the training is the same, the paperwork probably different and they're just covering getting people their CTP course so they can take the ATP written. The whole thing is non-sense, but it is what is. Did you look into seeing what you have to do to convert whatever you have to FAA certs, then just apply for a regional and go through whatever ATP course they give so you could just take the FAA ATP written and go through the training program like anyone else?

chihuahua 07-22-2022 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by shortspatula (Post 3464760)
Because they’re upgrading and hiring DECs at breeze. You’ll be swinging gear doing red eyes at Frontier and spirt for a while before you upgrade. Quick movement is basically the main reason people come over. I just hope hiring CFIs isn’t their actual staffing strategy because that’s kind of scary, most I’ve seen are former RJ FOs and DECs

Hiring CFIs seems to be the strategy for every regional operating the smaller E-Jet, so what's the difference? Who else are they going to be able to hire? If they don't want to change the training program for people who haven't flown in the airlines before, or don't have the type because they don't want to spend the money, they'll keep having people wash out because they don't have the training program they need, so after a while Breeze realize that saving money is actually costing them more money, and they'll change the training program. They seem to be so far behind on their grasp of reality though, they probably won't notice or react to this problem anytime soon.

mkitrn 07-22-2022 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3464902)
Being a DEC with a 172 CFI as a FO seems like a recipe for a flight violation. Maybe Breeze wants it that way because now your stuck.

like a regional?

Mscott 07-22-2022 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by chihuahua (Post 3464905)
It's probably because even if the training is the same, the paperwork probably different and they're just covering getting people their CTP course so they can take the ATP written. The whole thing is non-sense, but it is what is. Did you look into seeing what you have to do to convert whatever you have to FAA certs, then just apply for a regional and go through whatever ATP course they give so you could just take the FAA ATP written and go through the training program like anyone else?

Yeah, I did but the regionals said they didn’t support candidates through licence conversions, which is a bit silly in my opinion since what I need is what they already offer to folk applying with commercial certs only. There is nothing else I have to do, already have the verification letter from my local FSDO too, so it’s just a paper work exercise which I’ve already done.
I’m not in a position to pick and choose right now I feel so I’m just grateful for the opportunity.

Riverside 07-22-2022 05:40 AM

Every part 121 I've worked at had a green on green policy. But maybe you guys don't...

bonvoyage 07-22-2022 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 3464955)
Every part 121 I've worked at had a green on green policy. But maybe you guys don't...

We do, that was why it took so long to get enough crews that could fly the A220.

Just so we’re clear, I’m not seriously worried that we are hiring 1500 hour pilots. Every regional has been doing that for years, and we have all seen some green FOs are great, and on the other hand we know pilots with thousands of hours who we would never want to fly with. Yes, hiring low time pilots does present a risk. But I’ll welcome them with open arms and do my best to be a leader. But if you’re coming here with no 121 experience, please know what you’re in for.

dera 07-22-2022 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 3464955)
Every part 121 I've worked at had a green on green policy. But maybe you guys don't...

But that green on green can be as low as 100 hours on type.
100hr CA, 40hr FO. Sketch af.


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