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Andy 12-27-2023 11:12 AM

It was always a bad business plan. And now it appears that the company is unable to raise additional capital. Without additional capital, this company won't make it to summer 2024.

Slipstream921 12-27-2023 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3742153)
It was always a bad business plan. And now it appears that the company is unable to raise additional capital. Without additional capital, this company won't make it to summer 2024.

I’d probably say they can survive quite a bit longer than that, the airline game is tough. But these companies find ways to survive. As long as they can continue revenue growth and manage costs. I imagine 23Q4 will be better for them as they reduced hiring, slowed training and likely had increased demand (Nov/December).

sailingfun 12-27-2023 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3742153)
It was always a bad business plan. And now it appears that the company is unable to raise additional capital. Without additional capital, this company won't make it to summer 2024.

Raising additional capital might not be as easy as some think. They probably will need to negotiate with the 3 main capital providers depending on the terms. Raising additional capital would reduce the value of the original trenches. I am sure they can find the money but they will pay a huge interest premium since they have no assets for collateral. Maybe DN will pony up some of his own cash this round! Most startups as posted struggle a bit. I have never seen the kind of negative margins Breeze is posting. JetBlue was profitable within a few quarters of starting operations. Avelo is running single digit negative numbers but very manageable.
One thing for sure, when wallstreet gets back to work next year DN is going to be having some very serious discussions with the investors.

sailingfun 12-27-2023 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by bluespoon (Post 3742087)
They did do great considering in Q2 they went from -130 margin to -28 a year later with 3 or 4 times the revenue. Id say that’s not bad. They told us rising fuel prices starting this past October will push the profitability projection further into 24. They just brought in a second A220 sim.

Did Breeze buy a second simulator or did flight safety buy it and the first one?

mtf0011 12-27-2023 06:29 PM

Well I have to say you guys have me thoroughly excited about my upcoming class start.

bluespoon 12-27-2023 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3742185)
Raising additional capital might not be as easy as some think. They probably will need to negotiate with the 3 main capital providers depending on the terms. Raising additional capital would reduce the value of the original trenches. I am sure they can find the money but they will pay a huge interest premium since they have no assets for collateral. Maybe DN will pony up some of his own cash this round! Most startups as posted struggle a bit. I have never seen the kind of negative margins Breeze is posting. JetBlue was profitable within a few quarters of starting operations. Avelo is running single digit negative numbers but very manageable.
One thing for sure, when wallstreet gets back to work next year DN is going to be having some very serious discussions with the investors.


JetBlue was started during a much different industry climate, cheap fuel, lots of pilots available etc. Avelo is probably looking at short term operations before they sell, who knows. DN is betting big a different way now on underserved markets. The more RJs get parked and the more legacies abandon secondary routes due to rising costs, the better Breeze does. The one really good thing we have going is customer satisfaction, apparently it’s the highest in the domestic market, it’s no surprise though if you’re bypassing hubs to get to where you want to go. In this industry if people want to fly you, things usually workout in your favor. It would certainly be much easier to get funding.

Andy 12-28-2023 12:00 AM


Originally Posted by mtf0011 (Post 3742331)
Well I have to say you guys have me thoroughly excited about my upcoming class start.

Get the training and move on to a legacy.
When guys here talk up Breeze's charter ops, this airline isn't much longer for this world. The cash burn is unsustainable.

sailingfun 12-28-2023 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by bluespoon (Post 3742369)
JetBlue was started during a much different industry climate, cheap fuel, lots of pilots available etc. Avelo is probably looking at short term operations before they sell, who knows. DN is betting big a different way now on underserved markets. The more RJs get parked and the more legacies abandon secondary routes due to rising costs, the better Breeze does. The one really good thing we have going is customer satisfaction, apparently it’s the highest in the domestic market, it’s no surprise though if you’re bypassing hubs to get to where you want to go. In this industry if people want to fly you, things usually workout in your favor. It would certainly be much easier to get funding.

JetBlue was started at a time when the economy was terrible and passengers numbers were down.
passenger satisfaction is driven by reliability and ontime stats. Neither has Breeze excelled at.

bonvoyage 12-28-2023 06:44 AM

Maybe David can create a way to survive. The charters have made us so much money!! It astounds me to see we are doing so many yet losing so much money. What worries me is the A220 engines that will be pulled for overhaul next year. The turnaround is nearly a year per engine. If we are losing this much now, I can’t bear to see what parked A220s do to us

sailingfun 12-28-2023 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by bonvoyage (Post 3742471)
Maybe David can create a way to survive. The charters have made us so much money!! It astounds me to see we are doing so many yet losing so much money. What worries me is the A220 engines that will be pulled for overhaul next year. The turnaround is nearly a year per engine. If we are losing this much now, I can’t bear to see what parked A220s do to us

It might actually be a good thing. Breeze will get compensation for the aircraft that are out of service. That might be far more lucrative than flying them at huge loss rates.


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