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sailingfun 09-22-2018 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by Beaverbeliever (Post 2678865)
From reading his words, here is what it looks like to me:
-Point-to-point on routes with no competition. This means his price competition is with airlines that would need to operate 2 legs at least, which is obviously more expensive, so even at a 30% discount (in his words), they are still making a healthy profit. These routes are also going to be thin, thus the A220 being the answer metal-wise.
-Automated ticketing and customer service via the website and phone app, saving $$$. I'm guessing ancillary income to be a major part as well. Want to print your boarding pass at the airport? It's gonna cost you. Want to pick your seat? It's gonna cost you. Want to bring on a carry on? It's gonna cost you.
-Recruiting low hour pilots from regionals around the time they are upgrade eligible, giving them 121 experience, but being a stepping stone for the legacies. I expect pilot pay would represent a middle ground between regional and major as well, but the major benefit would be to get a type rating that will be in use at Delta (and perhaps others) in the near future.

The majors don’t care about type ratings. He will recruit pilots with stock options with at least a 5 year vesting while paying actual wages well below market value. Keeps the pilots around for five years and tends to keep them under his thumb to push the stock price higher.

penaltybox 09-22-2018 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by Beaverbeliever (Post 2678865)
From reading his words, here is what it looks like to me:
-Point-to-point on routes with no competition. This means his price competition is with airlines that would need to operate 2 legs at least, which is obviously more expensive, so even at a 30% discount (in his words), they are still making a healthy profit. These routes are also going to be thin, thus the A220 being the answer metal-wise.
-Automated ticketing and customer service via the website and phone app, saving $$$. I'm guessing ancillary income to be a major part as well. Want to print your boarding pass at the airport? It's gonna cost you. Want to pick your seat? It's gonna cost you. Want to bring on a carry on? It's gonna cost you.
-Recruiting low hour pilots from regionals around the time they are upgrade eligible, giving them 121 experience, but being a stepping stone for the legacies. I expect pilot pay would represent a middle ground between regional and major as well, but the major benefit would be to get a type rating that will be in use at Delta (and perhaps others) in the near future.

PIC from a regional is a lot more valuable than a A220 type.

Packrat 09-23-2018 08:42 AM

I wonder how the B6 pilots are going to feel about getting undercut by their former founder. Now they know how we felt. They'll love taking the Moxy boys to work on their jumpseats.

jcountry 09-23-2018 12:35 PM

I bet he will look for foreign pilots on visas as FOs. Probably try and get some waiver on the mins.

captjns 09-23-2018 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2679609)
I bet he will look for foreign pilots on visas as FOs. Probably try and get some waiver on the mins.

How much you willing to bet? I’m sure they’ll be number of takers.

Std Deviation 09-23-2018 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2678733)
Curious to understand what he means about “innovative ways to recruit.”

Combination of bitcoin and Amazon gift cards?

blinkpilot182 10-15-2018 09:07 AM

I’m a Captain on a heavy for an ACMI who definitely has my eye on this. If they are looking to start operations around 2020-2021 then I imagine they’ll be assembling an initial cadre in the near future. My shot in the dark would be as soon as 6 months to as late as 12-18 months. Does anyone with experience in start ups know how that usually plays out? Is it a “wink wink, nudge nudge”, “tap on the shoulder” kind of thing? Or should we expect to see a website put together clearly stating compensation and such?

-blink

CAirBear 10-15-2018 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by blinkpilot182 (Post 2691596)
I’m a Captain on a heavy for an ACMI who definitely has my eye on this. If they are looking to start operations around 2020-2021 then I imagine they’ll be assembling an initial cadre in the near future. My shot in the dark would be as soon as 6 months to as late as 12-18 months. Does anyone with experience in start ups know how that usually plays out? Is it a “wink wink, nudge nudge”, “tap on the shoulder” kind of thing? Or should we expect to see a website put together clearly stating compensation and such?

-blink

Very good question! I have been wondering this as well.

captjns 10-15-2018 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 2691734)
Very good question! I have been wondering this as well.

Generally, the founders of the operation will seek the advice from those who’ve had previous experience, Part 119 types, working towards getting an airline certified. An application, to start the process going, will be filed with the DOT, and FAA to see if those involved are viable for the operation. From that point it’s anyone’s guess who the management/119 team will proceed. Its quite a lengthy process to get the “OK” from the FAA/DOT to proceed with the application process.

Certification is dependent on the resources to get the airline certified, and the CMO in the FSDO to be assigned to the certification process.

Varsity 10-17-2018 10:25 AM

Met someone in Chicago that claimed to be associated with this. Sounds like they are going to buy an existing privately owned regional airline and transition it to 'mainline' aircraft. Also said 'moxy' won't be the airline name. Just used for fund raising.

edit: spoke very vaguely about it. I don't have any additional details.


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