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Originally Posted by hoover
(Post 2722122)
Except when that airline fails and it's a bad economy and no one is hiring except bottom feeders that pay even less for more work and then the FAA raises retirement age to 70 because those senior guys can't retire with 10 million in the bank and need to work 5 more yrs to pay for their 4th wife and 5th house and you get stuck at said bottom feeder for 10 yrs and now have an investigation on your record because that crap company won't do maintenance and you went anyways because hey gotta have a job and they'll fire you if you don't so now you can't move on as easily as thought when you went to that startup and your peers who went with a household name are still there albeit not a captain but making a comfortable living and not hating their decisions of going with that startup when everyone else was hiring .
How's that for a run on sentence? No, the only thing that would stop Moxy manning would be lousy pay/QOL or a credible threat that those working there would be boycotted from future hiring by the majors, and I can't picture the latter happening. The former seems sort of doubtful too. |
Originally Posted by hoover
(Post 2722122)
Except when that airline fails and it's a bad economy and no one is hiring except bottom feeders that pay even less for more work and then the FAA raises retirement age to 70 because those senior guys can't retire with 10 million in the bank and need to work 5 more yrs to pay for their 4th wife and 5th house and you get stuck at said bottom feeder for 10 yrs and now have an investigation on your record because that crap company won't do maintenance and you went anyways because hey gotta have a job and they'll fire you if you don't so now you can't move on as easily as thought when you went to that startup and your peers who went with a household name are still there albeit not a captain but making a comfortable living and not hating their decisions of going with that startup when everyone else was hiring .
How's that for a run on sentence? |
Definitely worth a shot then.
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Neeleman speaks
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1. The A220 will be used flexibly (both short and longer routes) 2. The new airline will not directly compete with JB on routes and it will likely connect city pairs not currently connected with nonstop flights (ie current routes requiring a hub stop) 3. Proprietary Apps will be leveraged significantly (love the flight cancellation scenario example) Let’s hope Dave doesn’t go cheap on pilot compensation - especially in this tight market where the LCCs and Legacies will be hiring in big numbers for the next decade.... |
Interesting. DN has a remarkable record of innovation, finding niches, and exploiting opportunities.
Should be fun to watch. Again. |
Where do I apply?
Originally Posted by David Puddy
(Post 2725054)
Very interesting article. Three best points for me:
1. The A220 will be used flexibly (both short and longer routes) 2. The new airline will not directly compete with JB on routes and it will likely connect city pairs not currently connected with nonstop flights (ie current routes requiring a hub stop) 3. Proprietary Apps will be leveraged significantly (love the flight cancellation scenario example) Let’s hope Dave doesn’t go cheap on pilot compensation - especially in this tight market where the LCCs and Legacies will be hiring in big numbers for the next decade.... |
Normally it's the former. Since he's done this before, it may be the later. I'm sure the first couple of classes will be hand picked from friends and former colleagues. Every initial pilot will have to be able to pass effectively a direct entry captain position from a training department that's being heavily scrutinized by the FAA. The FAA lived in my initial class at Orange Air.
Originally Posted by blinkpilot182
(Post 2691596)
Does anyone with experience in start ups know how that usually plays out? Is it a “wink wink, nudge nudge”, “tap on the shoulder” kind of thing? Or should we expect to see a website put together clearly stating compensation and such?
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Keep in mind that Moxy has not ordered any aircraft at this point. The widely reported A220 order is actual a memorandum of understanding and comes at no cost. The are not even tentative orders let alone firm orders where money is put down. If he is going to fly in 2021 that memorandum needs to be converted to firm orders very quickly.
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https://skift.com/2018/12/19/david-neeleman-taps-ex-allegiant-air-exec-
David Neeleman has a nose for talent and a track record of surrounding himself with like-minded, successful visionaries. Lukas was great for Allegiant. |
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