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nofear 04-03-2018 06:56 AM

Good option for you
 
Compass airlines has a Phoenix base and lots are getting it right out of training. We also
do a ton of Texas flying so you could get to work or home often on our own metal(higher priority boarding). Right now 17.5k bonus and training is somewhat backed up like others but if you study hard(no retraining) most people get through in about 2-3 months. Ultimately, Do what’s best for you and your family. If any qs feel free to p.m. me.

rickair7777 04-03-2018 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2563911)
Read the regs. PIC jet counts towards the 1000 hours. Plenty of guys recently upgraded as street captains having flown nothing more than a citation or lear part 91 as pic. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but it’s legal.

This is wrong.

FlyyGuyy 04-03-2018 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2563958)
This is wrong.

91k ten seats or more, right? and 135, same seat requirements. also have to be mult turbine i think. i remember my gajillion c208 with 10 seats didnt count. i memory dumped most of this.

Excargodog 04-03-2018 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2563911)
Read the regs. PIC jet counts towards the 1000 hours. Plenty of guys recently upgraded as street captains having flown nothing more than a citation or lear part 91 as pic. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but it’s legal.

Seriously? I'm not sure he could even legally be PIC of what he flew without an ATP:

§ 91.1053 Crewmember experience.
(a) No program manager or owner may use any person, nor may any person serve, as a pilot in command or second in command of a program aircraft, or as a flight attendant on a program aircraft, in program operations under this subpart unless that person has met the applicable requirements of part 61 of this chapter and has the following experience and ratings:

(1) Total flight time for all pilots:

(i) Pilot in command - A minimum of 1,500 hours.

(ii) Second in command - A minimum of 500 hours.

(2) For multi-engine turbine-powered fixed-wing and powered-lift aircraft, the following FAA certification and ratings requirements:

(i) Pilot in command - Airline transport pilot and applicable type ratings.

(ii) Second in command - Commercial pilot and instrument ratings.
.....

Or did you mean to say you had an ATP that dated from before the CTP requirement?

Varsity 04-03-2018 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2564043)
Seriously? I'm not sure he could even legally be PIC of what he flew without an ATP:

§ 91.1053 Crewmember experience.
(a) No program manager or owner may use any person, nor may any person serve, as a pilot in command or second in command of a program aircraft, or as a flight attendant on a program aircraft, in program operations under this subpart unless that person has met the applicable requirements of part 61 of this chapter and has the following experience and ratings:

(1) Total flight time for all pilots:

(i) Pilot in command - A minimum of 1,500 hours.

(ii) Second in command - A minimum of 500 hours.

(2) For multi-engine turbine-powered fixed-wing and powered-lift aircraft, the following FAA certification and ratings requirements:

(i) Pilot in command - Airline transport pilot and applicable type ratings.

(ii) Second in command - Commercial pilot and instrument ratings.
.....

Or did you mean to say you had an ATP that dated from before the CTP requirement?

He's typed, Why couldn't he be PIC?


Never ceases to amaze me how little so many 121 guys know about stuff outside 121 (or even inside it).

Flying part 91 <19 seats, just PPL, multi and type rating..
91K - not sure, assume like 135
135 - 10> seats -1200 hours, typed. If it's >10seats OR turbojet - Needs ATP to be PIC.

Qualifying as 121 time - 135 greater than 10 seats or turbojet - why, ATP is required, just like 121.


If he has this much turbine PIC, he might want to look at doing his ATP on his own then going for F9/NK.

havick206 04-03-2018 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by skytrails (Post 2563934)
whether its in the reg or not, Envoy requires 1000 part 121 time

Ummm have you even read FM1?

With that being said the OP needed an ATP for 92.1053(a)(2)(i) to apply after re-reading his original post.

So to answer your original question it’s taking FO’s roughly 6-8 months to end up back in DFW.

100LL 04-03-2018 09:51 AM

Cape air captains flight time counts as 121 time. Seems weird but it’s allowable in the regs since they are a commuter operation. Honestly what counts as 121 time needs to be re written for all fairness.

MKUltra 04-03-2018 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by 100LL (Post 2564102)
Cape air captains flight time counts as 121 time. Seems weird but it’s allowable in the regs since they are a commuter operation. Honestly what counts as 121 time needs to be re written for all fairness.

There is a big difference in 91k and 135 from cape air and other commuter airline operations.. I'm sorry but having experience in the airlines is a good thing before upgrading.. it's not the flying.. it's not the emergency procedures.. it's all the the bs you have to pout up with daily.. on the job training was priceless for me and something my airline is quickly losing.

flysooner9 04-03-2018 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2564097)
Ummm have you even read FM1?

With that being said the OP needed an ATP for 92.1053(a)(2)(i) to apply after re-reading his original post.

So to answer your original question it’s taking FO’s roughly 6-8 months to end up back in DFW.

I dont work for envoy. However if you dont need 1,000 part 121 then why do they advertise you need 1000 hours part 121 to be a direct entry captain?

Pedro4President 04-03-2018 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2564097)
Ummm have you even read FM1?

With that being said the OP needed an ATP for 92.1053(a)(2)(i) to apply after re-reading his original post.

So to answer your original question it’s taking FO’s roughly 6-8 months to end up back in DFW.

I'm no expert on 121 ca regs but I do have enough common sense to know you are way wrong.

The OP said he applied a month ago with no response. Let that sink in. If he would qualify as a CA wouldn't Envoy offer an interview 30 seconds after applying??


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