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Regional/Major hiring for Unlucky Misdemeanor
Hello All,
Ive posted on this forum a few times and long story short, I was planning on enlisting but I have put that to the side for now and want to pursue my ATP. My question is before I start training, I would like to know if I am hirable by the regionals or majors for a midemeanor I received 8 years ago. So basically when it happened I just turned 20. I was With my friends playing basketball and one of my friends got into a fight with another fellow and the cops showed up. The cop was being really agressive and eventually sent me to jail for delay of the investigation thus I received a resisting arrest misemeanor and 1 night in jail. I got community service for it but i wasnt able to finish it in time (I know, I used to procrastinate like crazy back then). So I went before the judge and He gave me 90 days in jail. I served 24 hours and was released for overbooking. Fast forward 8 years and I have only gotten 1 speeding ticket. That whole experience has left me tramautized with the police and law. I wouldnt dare cross the police. Would i still be hirable by the airlines? My plan is to get all my licenses, cfi for a bit, regionals, finish my degree, then major. Im trying to go the whole way. Brutal honesty would be greatly appreciated! |
That's not "unlucky," nor is it a matter of luck.
Ownership of the arrest is first before you can worry about how it may affect you. Guaranteed that attempts to dismiss or excuse it can accomplish only one thing: paint you in a bad light. Don't do that. Poor choices, yes. Luck? No. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 2619982)
That's not "unlucky," nor is it a matter of luck.
Ownership of the arrest is first before you can worry about how it may affect you. Guaranteed that attempts to dismiss or excuse it can accomplish only one thing: paint you in a bad light. Don't do that. Poor choices, yes. Luck? No. I have no intention of hiding what I did and am willing to accept the consequences. I just wanted to know if it would be a problem with hiring by airlines before I start spending a great deal of money on training. I wrote unlucky because I was at the wrong place at the wrong time during the incident. |
Mikey, You will be just fine so don’t worry too much about it. This happened in your “young adulthood” timeframe. Be honest and humble about it when asked during the interview. There are pilots with much more serious offenses at major airlines right now - DUI’s for example.
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I won't say "you'll be fine".
I have one black mark, a suspended driver's license when I was 17 for speeding. I have many thousands of hours, international experience, advanced degree, great GPA, etc, etc. I've been an active volunteer in my community for over a decade. To date, I've received ZERO calls from the big 6 (and Spirit). I've been to six job fairs, and have two professional app reviews. And I am but one of MANY MANY MANY like me trying to get on. I'm no one special with these qualifications. Food for thought. It's incredibly competitive, even in this robust hiring environment. Yes, you could make it. Personally, I believe chances are you won't. ATI, Southern, some other MIA outfit, yeah, sure. And I agree with JohnB, own it. Even though you say you do and it was misstated, the tone of your post suggests otherwise. You made one mistake of being in the wrong place, wrong time, but then YOU didn't do your civic duty of community service. It's only been seven years since then. You'll need to seriously prove you're a difference person by going above and beyond most pilots. And most pilots are already doing quite a bit. |
Originally Posted by PerfInit
(Post 2620044)
Mikey, You will be just fine so don’t worry too much about it. This happened in your “young adulthood” timeframe. Be honest and humble about it when asked during the interview. There are pilots with much more serious offenses at major airlines right now - DUI’s for example.
To be truthful, at the time I procrastinated because I did not believe I did anything wrong( throughout the years I learned that you have to take care of things no matter how minor). |
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
(Post 2620101)
I won't say "you'll be fine".
I have one black mark, a suspended driver's license when I was 17 for speeding. I have many thousands of hours, international experience, advanced degree, great GPA, etc, etc. I've been an active volunteer in my community for over a decade. To date, I've received ZERO calls from the big 6 (and Spirit). I've been to six job fairs, and have two professional app reviews. And I am but one of MANY MANY MANY like me trying to get on. I'm no one special with these qualifications. Food for thought. It's incredibly competitive, even in this robust hiring environment. Yes, you could make it. Personally, I believe chances are you won't. ATI, Southern, some other MIA outfit, yeah, sure. And I agree with JohnB, own it. Even though you say you do and it was misstated, the tone of your post suggests otherwise. You made one mistake of being in the wrong place, wrong time, but then YOU didn't do your civic duty of community service. It's only been seven years since then. You'll need to seriously prove you're a difference person by going above and beyond most pilots. And most pilots are already doing quite a bit. I know its only been 8 years but I can truthfully say I am in absolutely no way the same person I was then (good or bad). Regardless I have learned from my mistakes and showed no pattern in this behavior whatsoever. You said that chances are I would not make it. Is this because of the misdemeanor or jail time? Regional airlines included? Thank you for your honesty and critique. And dont feel discouraged, I know you will get a call! |
If you are completely on the hook for training expenses, don't try to be a pilot. You will never recoup unless you make the majors early in life. Most of your competition is VERY well sponsored and will get that opportunity long before you will! The big money is at the top so the last guys to get picked never see it.
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I say if you want to fly go for it. Will you get on at a major, who knows. You will for sure get on at a regional, and I’m sure you would have no problems in Corprate either. Return on investment doesn’t take as long in the corprate world either. 4 years out of flight school and I was clearing 15K a month some months.
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Originally Posted by mikey1029
(Post 2620148)
Im sorry if the tone of my post was not sincere or that of rebuke of my behavior.
I know its only been 8 years but I can truthfully say I am in absolutely no way the same person I was then (good or bad). Regardless I have learned from my mistakes and showed no pattern in this behavior whatsoever. You said that chances are I would not make it. Is this because of the misdemeanor or jail time? Regional airlines included? Thank you for your honesty and critique. And dont feel discouraged, I know you will get a call! OH, and it wasn't unlucky, it was stupid, but that's OK, sort if. Being young enough, you will probably get some slack about your stupidity, everybody does stupid things when they are young. But you aren't young anymore. |
Originally Posted by kevbo
(Post 2620168)
If you are completely on the hook for training expenses, don't try to be a pilot. You will never recoup unless you make the majors early in life. Most of your competition is VERY well sponsored and will get that opportunity long before you will! The big money is at the top so the last guys to get picked never see it.
Im not quite sure what your last 2 sentences meant. what opportunity? |
Originally Posted by LRSRanger
(Post 2620190)
I say if you want to fly go for it. Will you get on at a major, who knows. You will for sure get on at a regional, and I’m sure you would have no problems in Corprate either. Return on investment doesn’t take as long in the corprate world either. 4 years out of flight school and I was clearing 15K a month some months.
15k a month does sound very lucrative though.
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2620250)
Regionals won't care. Find a wholly owned with flow. But don't make another screw up of any kind, not a DUI, not a public argument with a significant other, ....nothing.
OH, and it wasn't unlucky, it was stupid, but that's OK, sort if. Being young enough, you will probably get some slack about your stupidity, everybody does stupid things when they are young. But you aren't young anymore. If im able to interview I would be able to explain thoroughly what I did and how that experience has changed me for the better. Im just worried that they will throw out my application because it will have a check next to arrested section. Im not saying my charges or jail time is minor, but if I successfully make it with a regional and serve there for many years as a captain, would the majors turn me down even with thousands of hours? Honestly...I have no problem with serving in the military because thats what ive always wanted to do too. Its just it might make it really hard for me to make it to the airlines. Which is the end goal. But at this point maybe the military might be a better option to fully prove that I am a responsible person.. Im ranting now...haha thank you |
Why on earth do you think military service would make it hard for you to get to the airlines?
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Originally Posted by mikey1029
(Post 2620490)
Money is not a huge huge issue for me. I want to pay for this career so that I can do a job that I would actually love for the rest of my life. But if I cant climb the ladder like my peers then im not sure this career is right for me.
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Originally Posted by LRSRanger
(Post 2620611)
If money isn’t an issue and you just want to fly who gives a rats behind if your peers go to the majors and you are a regional lifer? That doesn’t make any sense. If you want to fly and not make money there’s plenty of opportunities in aviation for that. Unless you want to make it to a major so you can make a boatload of cash your background shouldn’t be much of an issue.
Im pretty sure money is not all that comes with going to the bigs. The prestige and being able to say im at the top of my profession. My childhood dream was to fly the 747s. Now as I research and have new dreams I would really love to eventually fly the 787s. And eventually fly over oceans. So I guess what im asking is if ill be able to fly the bigger planes across continents. |
" So I guess what i'm asking is if ill be able to fly the bigger planes across continents.(?) "
You will know the answer to that in about 30 years. Unless you talk yourself out of it ...DON'T. Have at it ! Stimpson |
Originally Posted by Stimpy the Kat
(Post 2620770)
" So I guess what i'm asking is if ill be able to fly the bigger planes across continents.(?) "
You will know the answer to that in about 30 years. Unless you talk yourself out of it ...DON'T. Have at it ! Stimpson |
Originally Posted by mikey1029
(Post 2621175)
30 years?? Is that how long it takes to fly internationally?
Go fly ACMI cargo, and you'll be doing it on your first leg in many cases. You've got to get to that point, however it it won't be in the first few years. You also won't be making nearly the living that you would if you flew for a major airline. If you do fly for a major airline, it really depends on the equipment, but long international routes tend to go senior and you'll wait your turn. This is not a cut-to-the-front-of-the-line kind of business. Opportunities are as great at the moment as they've ever been. This will not last; the hiring in the industry is as cyclical as the economy, and it will crash, likely sooner than later. It's been doing well too long. When it does, furloughs begin, companies fold, aircraft get parked, careers change, and opportunities go away. This has been happening for a very long time. Each time you experience such events in your career, and many of us have been through these cycles several times, you may stall, fall back, change directions, or simply wait it out, and the choice is seldom yours to make. Hang on for the ride and remember that you don't always get to drive the train. |
Originally Posted by mikey1029
(Post 2621175)
30 years?? Is that how long it takes to fly internationally?
You can do it at any of the ACMIs (Kalitta, Atlas, etc) and as a newhire at both FedEx and UPS. |
You will do fine. I have one similar experience. I left my regional for a major few weeks ago. I have atleast 3 misdemeanors. Own it take responsibility. Convince them that you learned your lesson and that you’re different now.
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I had a similar misdemeanor, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct. They dropped the resisting arrest and I did community service for the disorderly conduct, at age 20. I was hired by both the Air Force and a Major airline to fly. My bigger concern is you not completing the community service on time. You need to be able to explain that one, to me, it shows that you didn’t really learn from your mistake (at that time anyway).
Do you have your degree yet? I assume not since you are talking about enlisting. You should get one and have a plan for paying for it in addition to your flight training. Maybe enlist in the guard or reserves and get a GI bill and tuition assistance. Could lead to a flying gig as well. |
Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
(Post 2621691)
I had a similar misdemeanor, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct. They dropped the resisting arrest and I did community service for the disorderly conduct, at age 20. I was hired by both the Air Force and a Major airline to fly. My bigger concern is you not completing the community service on time. You need to be able to explain that one, to me, it shows that you didn’t really learn from your mistake (at that time anyway).
Do you have your degree yet? I assume not since you are talking about enlisting. You should get one and have a plan for paying for it in addition to your flight training. Maybe enlist in the guard or reserves and get a GI bill and tuition assistance. Could lead to a flying gig as well. At the time I didnt really learn too much, Ill admit it. But that was literally when I was 20, I was entitled and felt like I could get away with anything. But after that particular incident and spending the night in county jail with all the inmates. That experience changed me a lot in terms of following the rules and respecting the law. Fast forward 8 years and Im not even close to the same person. I mean its not like I was a bad person because I can say without bragging that I was always a good person with good morales. My parents didnt spend all their time, money, effort and love to raise me into a criminal. It was a mistake and lack of judgement in a time when I was immature. Like I went to church 5 days a week(because I liked it, not forced), was a church mentor, I was on the Varsity golf team, won local, state and national awards in golf, scholar athlete 1 year. I interned for a former US Congressman and he would definitely vouch for me and my character and told me he would write a thorough recommendation whenever I needed. Im not trying to downplay what happened but when I told my recruiter what happened, he literally laughed in my face and said "when you explained this to me on the phone I thought you were gonna look totally different, but seeing you now this is hilarious, gotta love America. I think I can get you a waiver hahahaha". At this point I have the money to finish all my licenses until CFI. I feel like from what everyone said I can go to the regionals. Great! But I really dont think Ill be satisfied with this career unless I achieve my dream of flying a 787. Im not trying to insult anyone else, if they love what they do then awesome! But im not like that. I love achieving great heights, Im not a settler, thats why I NEED to make sure I can go all the way in airline flying. Im relatively still too young to pick a career that will have a cap so low. Im not the type to be able to see my peers go above me( I mean I love them and congratulate the heck for them but Im just competitive like that. When I quit golf, my peers even ones that were worse than me, most became professionals, some became millionaires. Thats why im sticking to what I do, lesson learned). If not, Im going to have to find a different career. But yes, my plan is to finish my degree online once I get to the regionals. |
Originally Posted by mikey1029
(Post 2621939)
Well, I didnt fully complete the community service because I got mixed up about the dates. When I finally checked it it was literally 3 days out. So I did as much as I could within the 3 days but it was too late and the judge sent me to jail.
At the time I didnt really learn too much, Ill admit it. But that was literally when I was 20, I was entitled and felt like I could get away with anything. But after that particular incident and spending the night in county jail with all the inmates. That experience changed me a lot in terms of following the rules and respecting the law. Fast forward 8 years and Im not even close to the same person. I mean its not like I was a bad person because I can say without bragging that I was always a good person with good morales. My parents didnt spend all their time, money, effort and love to raise me into a criminal. It was a mistake and lack of judgement in a time when I was immature. Like I went to church 5 days a week(because I liked it, not forced), was a church mentor, I was on the Varsity golf team, won local, state and national awards in golf, scholar athlete 1 year. I interned for a former US Congressman and he would definitely vouch for me and my character and told me he would write a thorough recommendation whenever I needed. Im not trying to downplay what happened but when I told my recruiter what happened, he literally laughed in my face and said "when you explained this to me on the phone I thought you were gonna look totally different, but seeing you now this is hilarious, gotta love America. I think I can get you a waiver hahahaha". At this point I have the money to finish all my licenses until CFI. I feel like from what everyone said I can go to the regionals. Great! But I really dont think Ill be satisfied with this career unless I achieve my dream of flying a 787. Im not trying to insult anyone else, if they love what they do then awesome! But im not like that. I love achieving great heights, Im not a settler, thats why I NEED to make sure I can go all the way in airline flying. Im relatively still too young to pick a career that will have a cap so low. Im not the type to be able to see my peers go above me( I mean I love them and congratulate the heck for them but Im just competitive like that. When I quit golf, my peers even ones that were worse than me, most became professionals, some became millionaires. Thats why im sticking to what I do, lesson learned). If not, Im going to have to find a different career. But yes, my plan is to finish my degree online once I get to the regionals. 3 exist, Owned by AA. Envoy, Piedmont and PSA. Provided you don’t fail more than 2 checkride 3/3 should take you. You’ll be able to build your resume while keeping a flow to AA (where they fly 787s) in your back pocket. |
Originally Posted by mikey1029
(Post 2621939)
Well, I didnt fully complete the community service because I got mixed up about the dates. When I finally checked it it was literally 3 days out. So I did as much as I could within the 3 days but it was too late and the judge sent me to jail.
At the time I didnt really learn too much, Ill admit it. But that was literally when I was 20, I was entitled and felt like I could get away with anything. But after that particular incident and spending the night in county jail with all the inmates. That experience changed me a lot in terms of following the rules and respecting the law. Fast forward 8 years and Im not even close to the same person. I mean its not like I was a bad person because I can say without bragging that I was always a good person with good morales. My parents didnt spend all their time, money, effort and love to raise me into a criminal. It was a mistake and lack of judgement in a time when I was immature. Like I went to church 5 days a week(because I liked it, not forced), was a church mentor, I was on the Varsity golf team, won local, state and national awards in golf, scholar athlete 1 year. I interned for a former US Congressman and he would definitely vouch for me and my character and told me he would write a thorough recommendation whenever I needed. Im not trying to downplay what happened but when I told my recruiter what happened, he literally laughed in my face and said "when you explained this to me on the phone I thought you were gonna look totally different, but seeing you now this is hilarious, gotta love America. I think I can get you a waiver hahahaha". At this point I have the money to finish all my licenses until CFI. I feel like from what everyone said I can go to the regionals. Great! But I really dont think Ill be satisfied with this career unless I achieve my dream of flying a 787. Im not trying to insult anyone else, if they love what they do then awesome! But im not like that. I love achieving great heights, Im not a settler, thats why I NEED to make sure I can go all the way in airline flying. Im relatively still too young to pick a career that will have a cap so low. Im not the type to be able to see my peers go above me( I mean I love them and congratulate the heck for them but Im just competitive like that. When I quit golf, my peers even ones that were worse than me, most became professionals, some became millionaires. Thats why im sticking to what I do, lesson learned). If not, Im going to have to find a different career. But yes, my plan is to finish my degree online once I get to the regionals. You state “I’m not trying to insult anyone” and then immediately insult people!! You make wild assumptions that people people at regionals are “settlers” and they don’t like “achieving great heights”. Can you be more belittling and naive?? |
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
(Post 2622023)
Everything about this post says “not my fault” and reeks of arrogance. Further, the grammar is horrendous.
You state “I’m not trying to insult anyone” and then immediately insult people!! You make wild assumptions that people people at regionals are “settlers” and they don’t like “achieving great heights”. Can you be more belittling and naive?? And I'm sorry my grammar was not up to par. I just wrote it like I was talking to someone. Look, I'm not trying to fight with anyone or insult anyone. Please don't take offense. We're all in the same group and in or pursuing the same profession. I'm just trying to look for career advice and look up to the elders of the group. Once again I'm sorry if you took offense, was not my intention. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 2620250)
Regionals won't care. Find a wholly owned with flow. But don't make another screw up of any kind, not a DUI, not a public argument with a significant other, ....nothing.
OH, and it wasn't unlucky, it was stupid, but that's OK, sort if. Being young enough, you will probably get some slack about your stupidity, everybody does stupid things when they are young. But you aren't young anymore. Good news is that some of most majors will not even be able to ask after 7-10 years. In the grand scheme, with all the retirements, you'll probably be able to get on with a major. But I'd shoot for an AA wholly owned just to be safe. Also.... it's good to apply to all majors early. But read the apps carefully... if you can't answer no to that question about convictions within the last ten years, it might be worth waiting a year or three until you can answer no. |
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
(Post 2622023)
Can you be more belittling and naive??
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OP,
It doesn’t quite work the way you think it does WRT 787’s. It is not merit based at all, 787 pilots aren’t better pilots or more successful, they didn’t perform better in training. They are senior, perhaps they were hired young (which in a way is something they earned I guess). You are 28, likely you’ll be 35 or 36 before you could be hired at a major (assuming you get your degree done). At that point it’s all a numbers game. The question will be how many guys are senior and younger than you. Depending on the airline, if that number is greater than 2000 or so, you’ll likely never be a wide body Captain. The good news is, you will likely be able to be a wide body FO or Narrow body Captain, and still have a great career. My point is, you just can’t predict this very well. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2622086)
This. You'll need to stay clean, sober, and trouble free.
Good news is that some of most majors will not even be able to ask after 7-10 years. In the grand scheme, with all the retirements, you'll probably be able to get on with a major. But I'd shoot for an AA wholly owned just to be safe. Also.... it's good to apply to all majors early. But read the apps carefully... if you can't answer no to that question about convictions within the last ten years, it might be worth waiting a year or three until you can answer no. Training and instruction would take at least 2 years so then I would be in alright. |
Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
(Post 2622104)
OP,
It doesn’t quite work the way you think it does WRT 787’s. It is not merit based at all, 787 pilots aren’t better pilots or more successful, they didn’t perform better in training. They are senior, perhaps they were hired young (which in a way is something they earned I guess). You are 28, likely you’ll be 35 or 36 before you could be hired at a major (assuming you get your degree done). At that point it’s all a numbers game. The question will be how many guys are senior and younger than you. Depending on the airline, if that number is greater than 2000 or so, you’ll likely never be a wide body Captain. The good news is, you will likely be able to be a wide body FO or Narrow body Captain, and still have a great career. My point is, you just can’t predict this very well. If I'm not good enough to make it to the majors is one story, I'll accept it. But what I don't want is to not be able to qualify for it. |
You need to accept the following
1. You got yourself arrested 2. You didn’t do your Community Service, and got yourself sentenced to 90 days in jail Now you can start down the career path, striving to set yourself apart from your peers.....right now, the above facts set you apart in a negative way.... you’ve gotta flip the script. Don’t give anyone any more reasons to Not Hire you (speeding tickets, dui arrests, failed checkrides, etc) You can achieve your goals, but might have to work harder than the guys who don’t have to check the YES box after “have you been arrested” |
Originally Posted by TheRaven
(Post 2622169)
You need to accept the following
1. You got yourself arrested 2. You didn’t do your Community Service, and got yourself sentenced to 90 days in jail Now you can start down the career path, striving to set yourself apart from your peers.....right now, the above facts set you apart in a negative way.... you’ve gotta flip the script. Don’t give anyone any more reasons to Not Hire you (speeding tickets, dui arrests, failed checkrides, etc) You can achieve your goals, but might have to work harder than the guys who don’t have to check the YES box after “have you been arrested” |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2622086)
Good news is that some of most majors will not even be able to ask after 7-10 years.
Criminal history as obtained in an NCIC III check goes back to juvenile status; in some cases it's listed, in others, not. It's all there. I've run a lot of them personally, and any jurisdiction that reports to and shares with the NCIC will have that information. Previous employers outside the PRIA limits become "safe" once outside those limits, but the same is not true of criminal history. One will always do well to obtain one's own records first, to see what will be found. Additionally, some employers use private services that run backgrounds on applicants for a small fee, and it's quite illuminating what can be had with a few simple internet searches, today. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 2622288)
Nothing prevents an airline from asking. While PRIA may exist for a period of time prior to hiring, the employer can ask a lot more, and a lot of employers ask very open ended questions without a limit attached; have you ever been arrested, etc.
Criminal history as obtained in an NCIC III check goes back to juvenile status; in some cases it's listed, in others, not. It's all there. I've run a lot of them personally, and any jurisdiction that reports to and shares with the NCIC will have that information. Previous employers outside the PRIA limits become "safe" once outside those limits, but the same is not true of criminal history. One will always do well to obtain one's own records first, to see what will be found. Additionally, some employers use private services that run backgrounds on applicants for a small fee, and it's quite illuminating what can be had with a few simple internet searches, today. The rules vary by state, and the state where the HQ is located is probably controlling. There is of course no way to know if they do their own research, and use that to make a decision. But violating the law in a wholesale manner like that would be risky, and would eventually come to light most likely. So no guarantees, but the way things are trending, it should not be a show stopper industry wide (might be for certain specific airlines). |
Brutal honesty I don’t believe you have a chance at the majors. But that’s not to say I’m wrong, the hiring environment is supposed to change in the up coming years. If you are willing to work at a regional, and maybe a LCC like spirit then I say that is very likely. Shoot for the majors and see what happens.
Also look into how having a charge on your record effects going internationally. Guys with DUIs have a hard time getting hired because of strict rules in other countries, therefore the us airline can’t/won’t hire them. |
Originally Posted by Broncofan
(Post 2626959)
Brutal honesty I don’t believe you have a chance at the majors. But that’s not to say I’m wrong, the hiring environment is supposed to change in the up coming years. If you are willing to work at a regional, and maybe a LCC like spirit then I say that is very likely. Shoot for the majors and see what happens.
Also look into how having a charge on your record effects going internationally. Guys with DUIs have a hard time getting hired because of strict rules in other countries, therefore the us airline can’t/won’t hire them. |
Originally Posted by Broncofan
(Post 2626959)
Also look into how having a charge on your record effects going internationally. Guys with DUIs have a hard time getting hired because of strict rules in other countries, therefore the us airline can’t/won’t hire them. |
Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
(Post 2627325)
It’s a misdemeanor not a DUI, pretty big difference. I had a misdemeanor arrest, have had TS/SCI clearance in the AF and it wasn’t an issue at my airline. However you might be right about him not having a chance, mainly in my opinion due to him blowing off the community service.
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Originally Posted by Broncofan
(Post 2626959)
Brutal honesty I don’t believe you have a chance at the majors. But that’s not to say I’m wrong, the hiring environment is supposed to change in the up coming years. If you are willing to work at a regional, and maybe a LCC like spirit then I say that is very likely. Shoot for the majors and see what happens.
Also look into how having a charge on your record effects going internationally. Guys with DUIs have a hard time getting hired because of strict rules in other countries, therefore the us airline can’t/won’t hire them. Would the majors hold that against me for something that happened 15 years ago when I was 20? I have absolutely no problem being at a regional for x amount of years. I just want to be able to move up to a major afterwards. What can I do in the next few years to show that I am a changed person? Im going to be training for licenses, finishing my degree, flight instructing and whatnot but what can I do on the side? |
Originally Posted by mikey1029
(Post 2627635)
By the time Im even qualified for a major, it would be at least 15 years after the fact. Considering im at a regional for 5 years.
Would the majors hold that against me for something that happened 15 years ago when I was 20? I have absolutely no problem being at a regional for x amount of years. I just want to be able to move up to a major afterwards. What can I do in the next few years to show that I am a changed person? Im going to be training for licenses, finishing my degree, flight instructing and whatnot but what can I do on the side? You screwed up at an early age, that cool. Many of of did. You thumbed your nose at the system, that's not so cool. This can be interpreted as having judgment, respect for authority, accountability, and integrity issues. As mentioned, you have to "flip the script". Don't screw up AGAIN is the best place to start. Demonstrate that you learned the error of you ways. Try to start volunteering in the community. Try to become a big brother, or any other program that tried to mentor youth and keep them on the right path. When you start CFI'ing, try to move up as fast as you can and taking on additional duties or management tasks. When you get hired at a regional, try to take on a volunteer position and try to become an instructor as fast as you can. Granted, the above is what's "in" right now in the brave new world of HR centric/targeted selection hiring process. What's the "in" thing by the time you get experience may have completely changed by then...... |
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