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Avi8tor441 07-12-2018 02:37 AM

135 pilot to 121
 
Hey everyone. I just had a question that I really couldn’t find the answer to on this thread. I’ve always wanted to work for AA. The only issue is that I never could afford to live on a regional pilots salary (had a couple of kids way to young). I have just over 5500TT now, but only 75 hours or so is ME jet. I am working on that currently as I fly a phenom 100. The other issue is most all of my flying is 135 single pilot. What are the chances of getting an interview in with AA with all the regional guys out there looking at the same job? What steps should I take to better my chances of getting an interview? Thanks in advance for any advice. If this this thread needs to be moved please do so. If this has been answered before please point me in the direction. Thanks.

AFTrainerGuy 07-12-2018 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by Avi8tor441 (Post 2633010)
Hey everyone. I just had a question that I really couldn’t find the answer to on this thread. I’ve always wanted to work for AA. The only issue is that I never could afford to live on a regional pilots salary (had a couple of kids way to young). I have just over 5500TT now, but only 75 hours or so is ME jet. I am working on that currently as I fly a phenom 100. The other issue is most all of my flying is 135 single pilot. What are the chances of getting an interview in with AA with all the regional guys out there looking at the same job? What steps should I take to better my chances of getting an interview? Thanks in advance for any advice. If this this thread needs to be moved please do so. If this has been answered before please point me in the direction. Thanks.

Honest answer.... probably very close to 0% (never say never). Multiple threads have discussed the percentages of new hires who are non-military, non flow through. The percentage of classes made up outside these two demographics is very low. Combine that with your very low ME experience and I just don’t see it

Who knows what future holds, but I’d say your best thing you can do is get hired at the WO if you really want a job at AA. I believe the pay has really come up in the last few years and with bonuses, you might be able to afford it now. I really don’t know, but I’m willing to bet there are multiple threads under Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont that discuss current pay expectations and QOL so you can think about it.

Good luck

rickair7777 07-12-2018 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by AFTrainerGuy (Post 2633016)
Honest answer.... probably very close to 0% (never say never). Multiple threads have discussed the percentages of new hires who are non-military, non flow through. The percentage of classes made up outside these two demographics is very low. Combine that with your very low ME experience and I just don’t see it

Who knows what future holds, but I’d say your best thing you can do is get hired at the WO if you really want a job at AA. I believe the pay has really come up in the last few years and with bonuses, you might be able to afford it now. I really don’t know, but I’m willing to bet there are multiple threads under Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont that discuss current pay expectations and QOL so you can think about it.

Good luck


Yeah, what he said. You need ME crew jet PIC, preferably 121, and lots of it to be on their radar. Buddy of mine just got hired, non-flow, with probably 5K TT, maybe 2K 121 TPIC, but he had friends at AA who mentored and recommended him.

For clarity, the ONLY competitive SE turbine time for top-tier majors is in a military tactical jet.

Presumably there's enough demand in 91/135 that you could get into something bigger? >50K MGTOW would be good too, at least some airlines apps are also scored for aircraft size, ie bigger = better.

Toonces 07-12-2018 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2633040)
For clarity, the ONLY competitive SE turbine time for top-tier majors is in a military tactical jet.


I’ve got three buds from PlaneSense who went to SWA in the past year after a year or less in a jet. I would say the old formula is still valid, but it is a rapidly changing hiring environment.



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Sliceback 07-12-2018 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Toonces (Post 2633201)
I’ve got three buds from PlaneSense who went to SWA in the past year after a year or less in a jet. I would say the old formula is still valid, but it is a rapidly changing hiring environment.



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What type jets? The Phenom 100 is a 10,500 lbs single pilot jet. Other than really small jet it doesn't check many resume boxes.

galaxy flyer 07-12-2018 09:43 AM

If you want to build multi-crew time and not be at a regional, large-cabin corporates (Challenger 350 and up) have jobs going begging. I just heard of two Globals in BOS area that can’t be crewed at 225k+ salaries.

GF

PotatoChip 07-12-2018 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2633305)
If you want to build multi-crew time and not be at a regional, large-cabin corporates (Challenger 350 and up) have jobs going begging. I just heard of two Globals in BOS area that can’t be crewed at 225k+ salaries.

GF

Probably because they want people that are typed...

Unless you are saying that they are willing to type people in a Global, then pay them $225k+ and still can't find people.

Toonces 07-12-2018 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 2633288)
What type jets? The Phenom 100 is a 10,500 lbs single pilot jet. Other than really small jet it doesn't check many resume boxes.


I believe they were C750, BE400, and C525. So sure all two pilot mid-size business jet. The anecdotal evidence is still a data point to recognize. As the hiring environment changes, you don’t need as many check boxes on the resume or time in seat required to get a great job.


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galaxy flyer 07-12-2018 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2633310)
Probably because they want people that are typed...

Unless you are saying that they are willing to type people in a Global, then pay them $225k+ and still can't find people.

I think they’d be willing to type them, but certainly prefer type and time in type. They can’t get it.

GF

Avi8tor441 07-12-2018 12:27 PM

Thanks for the honest answers guys. My multi time isn’t that low. That’s just my multi jet PIC. The issue is that I flew a lot of turbo props and really never got on a jet until now. My multi time is around 3000 hours with 1000 or so of that being ME TPIC. I can’t take the pay cut on moving back to a regional from what I’m flying now. I’ll still get the app in to AA. It’s been the dream. Just getting down the right path has been difficult. I’ll take what you all said into consideration.


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