PIC, TPIC, SIC? what's the difference.
#11
It always drove me crazy that the regs say you can log it this way, then an insurance company wants it broken down a different way, airline apps another way, some other operator a third way and so on. I ended up adding a “sole manipulator” column, but called it SIC in my logbook.
You could get an airlineapps.com account just to see the way they want it broken down.
You could get an airlineapps.com account just to see the way they want it broken down.
#12
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This isn’t exactly true. For example, under 135.4 (Eligible on Demand) PICs of multi-engine turbine powered airplanes must hold an ATP.
#13
Turbojet, 10 seats or more OR a ME aircraft in commuter service requires an ATP for part 135.
#14
Thanks that clears something's up a bit. When some one logs "dual" are they saying they are PIC Even though they are not sole manipulator of the controls? For example 2 people flying with a private pilots liscence each, one is the sole manipulator of the controls the other acting as PIC and signing/taking full responsibility of the aircraft?
Dual received can be PIC if you are rated in the airplane. As a student pilot you are not rated in anything, so dual received is not PIC. As student solo-ing, you have an endorsement which "rates" you in the aircraft under specific conditions for specific flight operations. You can and should log student solo as regular (signed-for-the-plane) PIC.
Once rated in category/class (ie PPL ASEL) you can normally log all dual received in that cat/class even if not rated for the type of operation, ie you can log PIC under IFR and/or IMC while working on your IR. That would be sole manipulator PIC, not "signed-for-the-plane" PIC. You can also for example log PIC in a complex or high-performance ASEL plane while getting instruction for those endorsements, assuming you have at least a PPL ASEL. Same for commercial dual received. When you work on AMEL, that dual is not PIC until after you take the checkride.
So again for airline purposes (other employers may be different), I would log all "signed-for-the-plane" PIC in one column, and all "other" PIC (sole manipulator, safety pilot) in a separate column. If needed you can break out CFI PIC separately by simple subtraction.
It is important to log all FAR legal PIC while working on ratings because all of that PIC counts towards the aeronautical experience requirements for ratings. Majors won't be interested in "other" PIC, but regionals will want you to apply that towards your ATP if you need to.
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