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Swa wannabe 12-17-2013 12:42 PM

Go airline as soon as you can.
 
Go airline as soon as you can.

walt heisenberg 12-17-2013 06:40 PM

If you are single, no kids, go airline way.

REVERTEDRUBBER 12-18-2013 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 885129)
Airlines and corporate are mostly two separate tracks. It's possible to cross over, regionals do not normally lead to corporate jobs and corporate jobs do not normally lead to major airlines.

The term "corporate" covers a wide range. The upper end (the "career goal") is flying a large or mid cabin long-range jet like a Gulfstream. The entry level is usually something like a part 91 or 135 310, Caravan, or maybe King Air flying. One thing about corporate is you can often network while a CFI and take the next step at your home patch. After that would be citations, and so on. There is no clearly defined path and with good connections it's possible to skip steps if you (or your boss) can afford the type, and his insurance will go for it.

Major airlines prefer regional or military guys over corporate because they like folks who are used to to doing multiple legs, day in and day out. Some corporate pilots will fly to a great location, eat, drink, and golf on the boss's account, and then fly one leg home.

High-tier corporate employers prefer corporate pilots because airline guys are not used to doing a lot of preparation, flight-planning, fueling, concierge service, etc and may have a bare-minimum customer interaction skill set (Bu-Bye!). Also they generally recoil at the idea of doing lav service.

It is possible that a few thousand hours at a regional could help you bypass some corporate insurance requirements, but if your long-term goal is corporate you had better keep your networking going full-bore while doing the airline thing. Otherwise it might be hard to go back.

Thanks, this answers some of my questions too.

soakingpilot 12-24-2013 11:33 AM

So just to quickly get back on track here but, is going to a 121 regional really the end of the corporate flying track? I have previously been flying bush planes in Africa for the past two years and I can understand the concept of interaction with your clients but clearly the experience gained flying a 30-40 ton Jet/FMS/etc cant be something that detracts away from a Cj2 and the likes. Would be nice to know because I always thought corp might just be the ticket for me.

rickair7777 12-24-2013 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by soakingpilot (Post 1546479)
So just to quickly get back on track here but, is going to a 121 regional really the end of the corporate flying track? I have previously been flying bush planes in Africa for the past two years and I can understand the concept of interaction with your clients but clearly the experience gained flying a 30-40 ton Jet/FMS/etc cant be something that detracts away from a Cj2 and the likes. Would be nice to know because I always thought corp might just be the ticket for me.

The airline stink concept really only applies to those who have no corporate experience. If you have a well-rounded flying background a little 121 time building won't hurt you. They're leery of folks who may have never had that customer service experience.

galaxy flyer 12-24-2013 02:13 PM

What Rickair saysis true. Our corporate department has a mix of just about everything--pure mil, pure civil, mix of both. A couple were mil/airline mix even, but you have to show willingness to learn and perform customer service.

GF

BoilerUP 12-24-2013 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by soakingpilot (Post 1546479)
So just to quickly get back on track here but, is going to a 121 regional really the end of the corporate flying track?

No.

Off the top of my head I can think of 4 pilots that went from 121 regional CA to a Fortune 100 flight department, just in the last 5 or so years. "Airline stink" comes from pilots who got furloughed, "went to fly corporate", then bailed when they got recalled. The industry has evolved a pretty good amount since the early 90s when this really hit, and there are a number of pilots out there in bizav with a 121 background.

Much like getting a 91 job has a lot to do with networking (putting 121 pilots at a disadvantage, as there aren't many airline pilots killing time at Signature), getting a 121 major interview without having LORs can be a tall order for a bizav pilot as there aren't many bizav pilots killing time in an ATL/DFW/ORD crew room.

<---current Part 91 Chief Pilot, former 121 regional FO

soakingpilot 12-26-2013 02:38 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1546588)
The industry has evolved a pretty good amount since the early 90s when this really hit, and there are a number of pilots out there in bizav with a 121 background.

So then the next million dolloar question is what is competitive for a charter 135 company. I don't see how you get an in anywhere. Frankly Im not even sure where I can build some multi time anywhere either without paying for it out right but that's a whole different story.

soakingpilot 12-26-2013 04:43 AM

Actually disregard my last... I know that it will always depend on the company.


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