4 Failed Check Rides is there still a future?
02-06-2011 | 06:17 AM
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4 Failed Check Rides is there still a future?
As the title preludes to, I have failed my Instrument, Multi, and CFI Initial twice. However now I have 2,500hr ATP-SE ME, CFII, MEI, CFI-Rotor and all the other normal stuff with approx 360 Multi. No DUI/ Criminal or FAA violations.
I have applied to everything under the sun it seems; a couple of initial phone interviews thought once they hear the failed rides were done now. I try to present it as each one I gained something from to turn a (negative into a positive). I meet all requirements for most all regional’s but don't have any type nor turbine time so that has resulted with (zero) corporate responses. Now I set here wishing that I would have known about the failure rules implemented in recent years as it wasn't the case 6 years ago.
Any suggestions please, as I am willing to do anything and travel to any part of the world?
I have applied to everything under the sun it seems; a couple of initial phone interviews thought once they hear the failed rides were done now. I try to present it as each one I gained something from to turn a (negative into a positive). I meet all requirements for most all regional’s but don't have any type nor turbine time so that has resulted with (zero) corporate responses. Now I set here wishing that I would have known about the failure rules implemented in recent years as it wasn't the case 6 years ago.
Any suggestions please, as I am willing to do anything and travel to any part of the world?
02-06-2011 | 06:28 AM
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After the recent Buffalo crash and the Captain with 5 failures, I would think it would be more difficult to get a job. Of course, I had 4,000 hours when hired at the regionals and 10,000 when hired at a major with NO failures. It's tough with or without failures.
My advice: be honest, explain why, and keep trying.
My advice: be honest, explain why, and keep trying.
02-06-2011 | 07:50 AM
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Rick's post on this thread seems to represent the consensus on how busted rides are regarded by hiring personnel in the industry. It is not a reflection of how decent a person the pilot is. I also suspect that bust count is not correlated with overall safety as a pilot. What appears to be the case is that companies prefer non or low-bust pilots because it is an accurate predictor of how expensive it will be to train them.
02-06-2011 | 07:52 AM
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My guess is that in light of Colgan, 4 failures is too many right now.
You probably need to look at 135 or corporate, and work your way up to get some turbine experience and type ratings. That will alleviate concerns about your being a training risk.
Unfortunately, nothing will ever change the fact that this history will be great ammunition at a civil trial and some airlines may never want to risk it (unless they run out of applicants).
You probably need to look at 135 or corporate, and work your way up to get some turbine experience and type ratings. That will alleviate concerns about your being a training risk.
Unfortunately, nothing will ever change the fact that this history will be great ammunition at a civil trial and some airlines may never want to risk it (unless they run out of applicants).
02-06-2011 | 08:15 AM
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Brutal industry
Aviation is a brutal industry indeed. First we are at risk for a host of minor medical reasons. A DUI could ruin your dreams. Unwanted mergers layoffs and bankruptcies can toss a pilot out on the street. And now a career can only absorb so many failures. Pilots can take several hundred check rides in a career. In that time it is natural to expect a few failures. Now it could cost you your job.
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02-07-2011 | 03:32 PM
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I am interested in flying for Delta. I have applied & attend job fairs to get my name & face present. I have 11,800hrs TT 9,900hrs is multi-eng & jet.
I have two Part 121 failures. A jet transition simulator check ride failure & a PC failure. I retrained and passed immediately. On top of that, I allso have one line-check failure.
Is that disqualifying for a job with Delta?
I have two Part 121 failures. A jet transition simulator check ride failure & a PC failure. I retrained and passed immediately. On top of that, I allso have one line-check failure.
Is that disqualifying for a job with Delta?
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02-15-2011 | 10:44 AM
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02-25-2011 | 08:01 AM
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12 check rides
It is possible to face several hundred check rides in a career.
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