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rickair7777 07-22-2011 01:42 AM

I understand it for what it is, but airlines might consider it reckless behavior if you get a bunch of tickets.

TonyC 07-22-2011 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by Buddhist (Post 1025751)

I was found on top of a roof ...




Third person, passive ...




First person, active: I violated a law .dot. period




Take responsibility, or avoid responsibility ...


... your choice.





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Joachim 07-22-2011 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by Buddhist (Post 1026730)
parkour is a philosophy an art also... it involves overcoming any obstacle wether on the streets or in school or life.. it has helped me go from C average in high school to straight A in college.. its also like meditation. ANyway, parkour is the noncomptive art it dosent involves flipping and doing backflips things that are completely useless.. freerunning is flips tricks etc things that are useless in a real life situation and dangerous.. parkour does involve rolling jumping off buildings(this is where i got the fine jumping off the school LOL) the people around snitched on my i was all cool with the police and they were like G i wish i could do that and they gave me a fine anyway.. ive had multiple people appoarch me around town(im the only one that does parkour) and say to me WOW i wish i could do that that looks so hard and itneresting .. parkour is about fluid movements in freerunning you see them stop and do a flip in parkour you would just keep running and jump off and roll.. run up a wall vault a car(point less to roll over one) a few years back I got a 50 dollar fine for skateboard where it clearly said no skateboarding i got a 238 dollar fine for parkour.. ths law is messed up im not hurting anyone..

How old are you and do you have any licenses?

I'm no spelling or grammar champion. However, the whole poor-spelling, Buddhist, free-spirit, free-runner, skateboarder persona is probably enough to keep you out of any higher level positions in this industry. Add a couple of spots on you legal record and your'e farked...

If you wan't to make it in this industry I would suggest you take a more conventional approach to overcoming your obstacles instead of practicing Parkour. Try running for an emotional outlet it works great.

...Oh and if your'e really ****ed at life, try lifting weights while listening to Carl Orff - O Fortuna at a very loud volume level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD3VsesSBsw

usmc-sgt 07-22-2011 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Buddhist (Post 1026730)
ths law is messed up im not hurting anyone..

There are many laws like that. As a matter of fact there are a few FARs like that as well. Regardless of your or my thoughts on that, they still are LAWS and RULES. You have a choice of whether or not to abide by those laws. You made a choice to not follow the rules and the police cited you for it. If you continue in this mindset and continue to be "caught" you will make a conscious choice to exclude yourself from a professional aviation career.

Buddhist 07-22-2011 07:42 AM

in my defense i didnt know what i was doig was illegal I did not see and "no tresspassing signs" or "no parkour signs" so I was oblivious to the situation. However, I am making it a duty to stay of building at the moment there is a bunch of other things to jump off of. The real question is will airlines care about this? I'm 20 years old and just got this a few days ago. I have no other fines/violations on "record" and I do not have a driving licence.

bcrosier 07-22-2011 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Buddhist (Post 1026730)
parkour is a philosophy an art also... it involves overcoming any obstacle wether on the streets or in school or life...

Except getting hired at a major airline with a criminal record.

While I'm happy to know there are places that are so crime free that the police are busy busting illegal lemonade stands and ticketing goofballs (no offense intended) bouncing off of walls (or on top of roofs as the case may be), the person sifting through thousands of applications from qualified applicants couldn't care less. All they are looking for is a way to drill that number down from thousands to hundreds, and criminal records are an easy way to do so.

Even if you make it past that and get to the interview, as others have said, repeat performances show a pattern of disregard for following the rules. Google "Pilot decision making - hazardous attitudes" and read about "anti-authority attitude." Even beyond that, 121 operators like cookie-cutter guys who follow the rules, not mavericks who so to speak "do their own thing in their own way." You can be the hottest stick out there, but if you can't do it their way, you won't make it out of initial training.

While I tend to agree it's a stupid law (and a $200+ fine for violating it is even more absurd), the bottom line (as has already been said) is it is a law. Obviously I don't know you beyond one isolated post on the internet, so please don't think I'm judging you. That said, I would recommend you take a look at yourself and what this career demands of people and decide if it's really for you. I'm not saying this to dog on you - again I don't know you, but if you're a free spirited person who can't stand conformity and likes to color outside the lines, this may not be the career for you. Mind you, those aren't necessarily bad attributes, but they aren't attributes which tend to serve you well in the airline world (though there are many other places they will - many of which probably pay better).

Ultimately, being a professional pilot is largely about risk analysis, risk mitigation, decision making, judgement, and some amount of physical coordination. You may be facing your first challenge in these areas relating to being a professional aviator. Good luck to you whatever path you choose.

USMCFLYR 07-22-2011 10:05 AM

Buddhist -


Originally Posted by Buddhist
ths law is messed up im not hurting anyone..

There are many laws like that. As a matter of fact there are a few FARs like that as well. Regardless of your or my thoughts on that, they still are LAWS and RULES. You have a choice of whether or not to abide by those laws. You made a choice to not follow the rules and the police cited you for it. If you continue in this mindset and continue to be "caught" you will make a conscious choice to exclude yourself from a professional aviation career.
You don't seem to grasp liability laws either.
Let's say that you are jumping off somebody's building doing your 'Pakour' and you end up breaking a leg. Do you think it fair that you should be able to sue that building's owner? And if you've never been nearly run over by a skateboarding pack then it is probably because you were one of them :p

The choice is yours and you've been given excellent advice on the chances and decisions required if you wish to continue down this particular career path.

I think it is funny too btw with how you downplay Freerunning with its' "flips tricks etc things that are useless in a real life situation and dangerous", but find meaningful purpose in pakour's "involve rolling jumping off buildings"
Yes :cool: I can see how one is dangerous and the other is like meditation ;)

USMCFLYR

Jughead 07-22-2011 10:19 AM

Meh...I still think this guy's playing us.

What "straight A college student" jumps off buildings to relax, and can't write a complete, coherent sentence?

Sorry, somebody had to say it.

Better:

Parkour is both an art and a philosophy. It involves overcoming many obstacles: be they in school, on the street, or in life. I feel it has helped me to improve my grades due to my increased focus and discipline. In fact, I'm now a straight A college student!
Generally, parkour is non-competitive and doesn't involve tricks, flips, etc. which provide little meaningful substance to the art. In lieu of these stunts, I channel my attention and focus to primarily rolling off buildings.
Some of my neighbors filed a complaint against me, but the police didn't seem too concerned - in fact, they seemed a bit jealous! But in the end, I realized they needed to uphold the law. However, the punishment didn't seem to fit the crime - I recieved a rather large fine for this transgression, but just a few years ago, I recieved a smaller fine for something which I consider a more egregious violation.
I sincerely hope this event doesn't hinder my goal of becoming an airline pilot.

DrangonStar45 07-22-2011 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by Buddhist (Post 1026899)
in my defense i didnt know what i was doig was illegal I did not see and "no tresspassing signs" or "no parkour signs" so I was oblivious to the situation. However, I am making it a duty to stay of building at the moment there is a bunch of other things to jump off of. The real question is will airlines care about this? I'm 20 years old and just got this a few days ago. I have no other fines/violations on "record" and I do not have a driving licence.

If you want to fly, start burying your head in aviation books (like Aviation Weather, Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge and the Aeronautical Information Manual)
Straight 'A' college students can finish each book within a week. It will also prevent you from getting another ticket. I will be 20 years old later this September and more than a 1000 flying hours, so its not late to start flying.

galaxy flyer 07-22-2011 01:39 PM

After studying those books, you might learn to write a readable paragraph. At some point, you will need to draft a resume, complete an application and, if ever get there, occasionally write a report or complete a training record. Being able to express yourself, in terms a potential boss might understand, is a necessary skill.

Also, you might think twice about your title for this thread. I would have guessed you were bragging, not asking a question.

GF


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