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Disclosing failed checkrides

When applying do I need to disclose a failed checkride when it was over 10 years ago? I know PRIA indicates only 5 years back and a carrier is only required to give records from 5 years ago. So the "age-old" question is do I need to disclose and will a carrier find this if they are doing the standard background check?? &%$^^^&&%$^&%&^$!!!!!!!

I believe FOIA only asks about actions against?? Which thankfully their are none.

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Originally Posted by needtofly (Post 1077294)

I would be honest. It's a small industry. They could just by chance talk to someone who knows about it.

If they ask, you need to answer truthfully. If it is found out later, you will more than likely get fired.

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Originally Posted by Rama (Post 1077369)

If they ask, you need to answer truthfully. If it is found out later, you will more than likely get fired.

This is extremely true, but also make sure you know the law/length of time involved. If your not REQUIRED to give them info, you should not. Read and understand how it works first. However if at all you might even slightly be required to disclose it, then make sure you disclose it, because if you get hired, start training, then they find out, they will fire you, and you will now have to explain why you got paid by xxx airline for only 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by needtofly (Post 1077294)

If they ask for it you probably need to disclose it. Just because PRIA does not go that far back does NOT mean you are legally protected from lying to an employer.

There is NO law that says they cannot ask about your entire pilot career, going back to 1903 if it comes to that.

What kind of checkride was it? If it was for a type rating then you have a pink slip, which can be obtained from the FAA via FOIA request (pink slips are not included in PRIA).

One 121 training bust over five years ago should not really affect you as long as you completed it on the second try.

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Originally Posted by needtofly (Post 1077294)

That!

If its asked, tell the truth! Are we really to the point where that's even a question?

And busted checkrides show up in your records request from the FAA, regardless of time. If its ten years old, it's not gonna be a problem anyway. Just tell the truth! You can never go wrong following this advice.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1077423)

One 121 training bust over five years ago should not really affect you as long as you completed it on the second try.

Just out of curiosity, whats the rule on that? What happens if you don't complete it on the second try? For instance, I know a few guys from my class that busted their oral on their PC, came back for round 2, busted the sim, then did the whole thing over a 3rd time and passed. Now they are all out on the line and have been for years. Are they stuck at this company forever now? That might explain why we have so many 15+ year lifers.

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Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 1079623)

What's really bad is busting the same event more than once...that leads them to suspect that you really struggled as opposed to just having a bad day. Ie failing the same oral twice in a row.

But multiple busts of any sort are not good, especially 121 busts.

I agree, it seems like what he's saying tho is that this would show up as two seperate busts even tho the same event wasn't technically failed (oral and sim both busted individually one time only). Seems like a sticky situation.