Odds to get on with a major?
#31
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The regional option is to get some 121 experience. Not knocking it but is a step in the wrong direction career wise but will do it to get some 121 time. I think I speak for most military folks that going to a regional after leaving the military is not what they planned on doing. Going straight to a major is always the first choice as I imagine a lot of majors still like to hire military pilots. Don't want to be at a regional forever. I have my ATP, 4000+ hours with the bulk of it being turbine time and PIC time. Some corporate time and a couple types. The bulk of my time is flying heavies in the AF.
#32
Well, with no majors hiring and them probably not going to hire anyone soon the regionals are the only game in town. Hope to get 400-600 hours there and hope a major hires. If they don't I will go back to a non-flying job where I can make a living at.
#33
I NEVER said the paths weren't different, show me where I did?Youre not reading all the posts. I'm one of the LAST people you need to lecture on different paths.
But the FACT is the path (whichever one it is) can deviate from the original planned one. It can contain detours, twists, turns, or flat out stops.
It's how one deals with these that will determine if they ever get to the original planned destination. This career, just like the rest of life is full of change and unplanned events. Either deal with it or find another way. Suck it the eff up and go do it like many others have or sit around and pout wondering why you can't get a call.
And as I've found out over the years, the unplanned areas contain more networking opportunities. Something the OP says he doesn't have. How that happens after a military career seems to be a bit a mystery. But the FACT is, for the foreseeable future it doesn't matter if one has thousands of hours of RJ PIC or flew the F-teen/C-one super heavy, they won't get ANYWHERE without some networking and contacts.
But the FACT is the path (whichever one it is) can deviate from the original planned one. It can contain detours, twists, turns, or flat out stops.
It's how one deals with these that will determine if they ever get to the original planned destination. This career, just like the rest of life is full of change and unplanned events. Either deal with it or find another way. Suck it the eff up and go do it like many others have or sit around and pout wondering why you can't get a call.
And as I've found out over the years, the unplanned areas contain more networking opportunities. Something the OP says he doesn't have. How that happens after a military career seems to be a bit a mystery. But the FACT is, for the foreseeable future it doesn't matter if one has thousands of hours of RJ PIC or flew the F-teen/C-one super heavy, they won't get ANYWHERE without some networking and contacts.
#34
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I am prior military and thinking about Eagle or Expressjet to get some 121 time but still don't know anyone at the majors except SWA and AA... ...but no internal recs have left me on the outside looking in. Trying to figure out if the odds are in my favor or not to try this airline thing or not.
With 4000+ hours over what has to be a 15-20 year mil career why dont you "know anyone"? Anyone who's been around that long and is a good guy should have a large network with multiple contacts willing to help you out. You flew corporate as well? There's another pool of people to network from. Why didn't you stay there maintaining currency until a major called?
I think you have a VERY tough road ahead as your work timeline brings up more questions than it answers. HR depts have stacks of resumes several thousand deep with guys who really want to be there and have the contacts to vouch for them.
#35
I gotta say it, something just doesn't smell right about this guy.
With 4000+ hours over what has to be a 15-20 year mil career why dont you "know anyone"? Anyone who's been around that long and is a good guy should have a large network with multiple contacts willing to help you out. You flew corporate as well? There's another pool of people to network from. Why didn't you stay there maintaining currency until a major called?
This is the most telling, and I think most suspect quote. In the past 18 months Southwest, Jetblue, USAir, Virgin, Fedex, Atlas, Spirit and probably a few others I'm missing who pay more than the regionals have all hired. United just started interviews for off the street guys. Corporate hiring is picking up as well. Why don't you know this? The last sentance says it all. You're going to quit flying for what sounds like the 2'nd or 3'rd time if your dream job doesn't land in your lap after 6 months.
I think you have a VERY tough road ahead as your work timeline brings up more questions than it answers. HR depts have stacks of resumes several thousand deep with guys who really want to be there and have the contacts to vouch for them.
With 4000+ hours over what has to be a 15-20 year mil career why dont you "know anyone"? Anyone who's been around that long and is a good guy should have a large network with multiple contacts willing to help you out. You flew corporate as well? There's another pool of people to network from. Why didn't you stay there maintaining currency until a major called?
This is the most telling, and I think most suspect quote. In the past 18 months Southwest, Jetblue, USAir, Virgin, Fedex, Atlas, Spirit and probably a few others I'm missing who pay more than the regionals have all hired. United just started interviews for off the street guys. Corporate hiring is picking up as well. Why don't you know this? The last sentance says it all. You're going to quit flying for what sounds like the 2'nd or 3'rd time if your dream job doesn't land in your lap after 6 months.
I think you have a VERY tough road ahead as your work timeline brings up more questions than it answers. HR depts have stacks of resumes several thousand deep with guys who really want to be there and have the contacts to vouch for them.
#36
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Fair enough. The 2 biggest hurdles I see are currency and recs. Six months at a regional will fix currency, but you're saying you don't know anyone that can write a lor except at AA & SWA? You should plan on being at a regional for more than 6 months if that's the case.
Aviation is small but after 20 years in the Air Force flying heavies I'd expect your network to be much bigger. I'm not saying it won't work out for you, I just fail to see how an HR type is going to pull you out of the stack when everyone else has their buds pulling for them right now. In 3 years when retirements really pick up it will likely be a different story. Three years wouldn't make you a regional lifer by any measure but are you prepared to wait that long?
Aviation is small but after 20 years in the Air Force flying heavies I'd expect your network to be much bigger. I'm not saying it won't work out for you, I just fail to see how an HR type is going to pull you out of the stack when everyone else has their buds pulling for them right now. In 3 years when retirements really pick up it will likely be a different story. Three years wouldn't make you a regional lifer by any measure but are you prepared to wait that long?
#37
Where's my Mai Tai?
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From: fins to the left, fins to the right
PittsDriver,
When I went to AE in 1999, there were 3 pointy nose types there just to get some more time and 121 experience. They were all gone within 1 year.
What kind of flying is the 150 hours/3 years? You say your company sold their airplanes. If you are just flying a Pitts or some other general aviation planes, you will realistically need something better for currency from an airline point of view.
If you can believe what is out there about hiring, going to a regional now should get you through training and on the line flying if/when things pick up next year.
When I went to AE in 1999, there were 3 pointy nose types there just to get some more time and 121 experience. They were all gone within 1 year.
What kind of flying is the 150 hours/3 years? You say your company sold their airplanes. If you are just flying a Pitts or some other general aviation planes, you will realistically need something better for currency from an airline point of view.
If you can believe what is out there about hiring, going to a regional now should get you through training and on the line flying if/when things pick up next year.
#38
PittsDriver,
When I went to AE in 1999, there were 3 pointy nose types there just to get some more time and 121 experience. They were all gone within 1 year.
What kind of flying is the 150 hours/3 years? You say your company sold their airplanes. If you are just flying a Pitts or some other general aviation planes, you will realistically need something better for currency from an airline point of view.
If you can believe what is out there about hiring, going to a regional now should get you through training and on the line flying if/when things pick up next year.
When I went to AE in 1999, there were 3 pointy nose types there just to get some more time and 121 experience. They were all gone within 1 year.
What kind of flying is the 150 hours/3 years? You say your company sold their airplanes. If you are just flying a Pitts or some other general aviation planes, you will realistically need something better for currency from an airline point of view.
If you can believe what is out there about hiring, going to a regional now should get you through training and on the line flying if/when things pick up next year.
#39
Where's my Mai Tai?
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From: fins to the left, fins to the right
The question is how long do you hold out for another 560 gig? If you can't find another 560 gig, is flying general aviation enough to remain current in a HR point of view? If not, how long do you wait in hopes of a corporate jet job versus applying at a regional?
#40
I'm not sure if you meant this as it sounded, but there certainly are majors hiring right now.
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