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kfahmi 05-16-2014 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1644478)
Airlines are subject to PRIA though, Pilot Records Improvement Act if you are not familiar.

But what does PRIA have to do with the testimony of one's clients as to one's performance in a non-aviation industry?

rickair7777 05-16-2014 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by kfahmi (Post 1644394)
That all sounds good, but in my industry (advertising), nobody checks client references of self-employed individuals. 18 years involved with hiring decisions at some of the biggest agencies around, so I know this to be true. We will check your last W-2 employer, but I have never seen a freelancer's clients asked for references.

I'm sure there is some inherent level of comfort with self-employed folks in that industry...ie, their work or reputation is known or hard to fake.

Or maybe all they care about is that you can sell something, including yourself ;)

kfahmi 05-16-2014 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1644905)
I'm sure there is some inherent level of comfort with self-employed folks in that industry...ie, their work or reputation is known or hard to fake.

Or maybe all they care about is that you can sell something, including yourself ;)

Well, it is a very small industry, so people tend to know each other. I suppose that makes up for the lack of diligent background investigations. Also, you do have to show your actual work samples. Although there's also the advertising version of falsifying logbooks, which would be trying to pass off another guy's work as your own. I caught someone doing that once. What he didn't know, was that the work he was presenting to me as his own, was actually my work from a few years back. :eek: I sort of enjoyed that interview...

Std Deviation 05-17-2014 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by kfahmi (Post 1644910)
falsifying logbooks

Much harder to do now with Flight Aware, etc. Last guy I know that got busted got discovered because the company typed the N number into Flight Aware and the origin and departure in the logbook did not match the ATC record.

Another means to investigate is NOAA weather historical data. "Really? You did pattern work that day? Funny, the weather report said it was a quarter mile visibility in snow all day."

BaronRouge380 07-30-2014 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1643957)
People take leaves of absences all the time in the real world for reasons that are none of anyone's business. The airline is eventually going to call/mail your previous employers though to check references like any other employer would but also to satisfy regulatory burdens. What do you want to happen when that call is made?

Well, getting close to class date...and that question is the the most difficult to answer "What do you want to happen when that call is made?"

So, the airline will investigate my employment and they will already know I am on a LOA. However, my non aviation employer will then discover the reason of the LOA, not family related or other made up reasons but to pursue an airline career. Shouldn't a simple employment verification be enough or the regional has to call my previous non aviation employer and ask questions?

tom11011 07-30-2014 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by BaronRouge380 (Post 1695277)
Well, getting close to class date...and that question is the the most difficult to answer "What do you want to happen when that call is made?"

So, the airline will investigate my employment and they will already know I am on a LOA. However, my non aviation employer will then discover the reason of the LOA, not family related or other made up reasons but to pursue an airline career. Shouldn't a simple employment verification be enough or the regional has to call my previous non aviation employer and ask questions?

Just to be clear, I don't think the airline will have any problem with you being currently employed at some other employer. Seems normal enough to me, you are employed with the old company until starting work with the new company. They are going to ask for your dates of employment.

In a very large company, the person receiving the request might get 100 of these calls per day and doesn't think twice about it, doesn't tell anyone. But in a small company, the person taking the call is going to talk to whoever just on gossip principals alone.

BaronRouge380 07-30-2014 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1695313)
Just to be clear, I don't think the airline will have any problem with you being currently employed at some other employer. Seems normal enough to me, you are employed with the old company until starting work with the new company. They are going to ask for your dates of employment.

In a very large company, the person receiving the request might get 100 of these calls per day and doesn't think twice about it, doesn't tell anyone. But in a small company, the person taking the call is going to talk to whoever just on gossip principals alone.

Well the non aviation company I am leaving is a big corporation, going to a small regional (one of the ones "growing").


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