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brownwhalerider 03-04-2007 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by osucowboy1 (Post 127815)
just so that everyone knows all the ca's and fo's on the 727 will get whatever airplane they want because the company is getting rid of their current aircraft. if all the 50 ca's and 43 fo's wanted to go to the a300 they would all go there and displace the current most junior pilots on those planes and then those pilots would displace pilots on other aircraft. this has the potential for ALOT of training in the next year.

Not necessarily, only if there are MORE junior pilots to them. They can go to whatever position that there is someone junior to them. The most junior 727 FO and FE is NOT junior to the most junior A300 FO (I think without looking at the list). More than likely they will go to the some 200 positions not filled by the last system bid. What will happen is some strategic bidding by captains, ie down bidding. This will occur to ensure they can "upgrade" to the plane they actually want in the next system bid later this year.

767pilot 03-04-2007 07:15 AM

This is going to get really ugly pretty soon.
It is true that ultimatly, the discplaced pilots from the 727 are going to have full bumping rights to end up on whatever fleet and seat they can hold, but in this first round, can't they only go to the posted positions? I would think many would do better to just wait until the displacement round.

1800 RVR 03-04-2007 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by 767pilot (Post 128078)
This is going to get really ugly pretty soon.
It is true that ultimatly, the discplaced pilots from the 727 are going to have full bumping rights to end up on whatever fleet and seat they can hold, but in this first round, can't they only go to the posted positions? I would think many would do better to just wait until the displacement round.

That's how I understand it. The way I'm looking at it is that there will probably be little movement on the realignment, and lots on the displacement.

767pilot 03-04-2007 07:52 AM

I conquer, but then again, I don't understand everything I know about the subject. Seems like the better thing would be to just skip the realignment but for some reason, in the past the union has said it was better for us to do it this way.

OOTSK 03-04-2007 08:49 AM

If there were 200 unfilled FO positions last time around, why don't they show up on the vacancy/realignment bid? It seems funny that the company is saying no one will be forced to ANC.

Next question.... Will the senior 727 guys who move during displacement, actually start bumping the junior people or will they just add to the list of that particular fleet? If they start bumping junior people, the training involved with that would be very horrific. :eek:

UPSFO4LIFE 03-04-2007 08:56 AM

All I can say is that there is PLENTY of room on the 75 domestic side. I got 3 JA calls in one day last week.

v2plus25 03-05-2007 08:34 AM

I'm sure since they're so short FO's on the 75, A300 and MD that there won't be many guys getting bumped off those lists by displacements. If anything junior 74 and DC-8 guys might get bumped. Or, to keep the training costs down they might not have anyone get bumped off any list. Who knows?

fr8rcaptain 03-05-2007 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by OOTSK (Post 128114)
If there were 200 unfilled FO positions last time around, why don't they show up on the vacancy/realignment bid? It seems funny that the company is saying no one will be forced to ANC.

Next question.... Will the senior 727 guys who move during displacement, actually start bumping the junior people or will they just add to the list of that particular fleet? If they start bumping junior people, the training involved with that would be very horrific. :eek:

I don't recall the company ever saying they wouldn't force anyone to ANC. Maybe you're thinking of "there will be no reduction in the SDF MD11 Captain numbers due to the transition to F/O IROs."

OOTSK 03-05-2007 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by fr8rcaptain (Post 128666)
I don't recall the company ever saying they wouldn't force anyone to ANC."

I should of clarified. My buddy who is an 8 engineer called Craig L. and he told him he will be displaced to an FO position and he would not go to ANC because there are way too many unfilled FO positions in SDF????

Anyway, I hope the 72 guys realize the 74 is going away also. One is leaving in July. There probably will be another displacement bid this summer reducing the staffing on the 74. Unless you like training I wouldn't do it!

Fly good. :cool:

PAX2Cargo 03-05-2007 11:10 AM

I think if I heard this right, for every new 747 on UPS grounds, a classic gets parked.


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