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C130driver 04-05-2017 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 2332368)
All true and I think the technology exists to make them work, but the logistics and requirements for flying over people and property have to be worked out. There are solutions and ways to do this.

But why? Give me one good reason why a company would go for this? Please don't tell me it eliminates the pilot because you are still paying someone on the ground to operate this thing. Just because the technology exists doesn't mean it should be utilized. Minimum gains for a lot of risk. Enough of this.

C130driver 04-05-2017 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2336654)
Very few, if anyone on here anymore could remember the railroads in this country when they made the switch from steam locomotives to diesels. Needless to say, study the history of it, the newer technology saved tremendous amounts of money by reducing labor costs and overhead. The pace of the switch over was break neck, faster than anyone could imagine. The railroads only needed a tiny fraction of the labor force they once required. You are living in denial if you can't see any paralells in the not too distant future, probably 20 to 30 years.

You are in denial if you are comparing trains on predictable tracks/2-dimensional travel to airliners. You're also in denial if you think any sane passenger would get on a pilotless plane. Not going to happen and there are virtually zero sound arguments for it.

No Land 3 04-05-2017 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by C130driver (Post 2336719)
You are in denial if you are comparing trains on predictable tracks/2-dimensional travel to airliners. You're also in denial if you think any sane passenger would get on a pilotless plane. Not going to happen and there are virtually zero sound arguments for it.

You seem to forget that pilots, nor pax, make these decisions.

Adlerdriver 04-05-2017 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2336741)
You seem to forget that pilots, nor pax, make these decisions.

:confused: so.... who's going to make the pax actually buy the ticket and walk onto the pilotless airplane?
Seems like they have a choice to me.

Or are you trying to imply that at some point in the future the only choice will be fly on the drone or use ground transpo. :rolleyes:
not in anyone's lifetime posting here.

tomgoodman 04-05-2017 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2336741)
You seem to forget that pilots, nor pax, make these decisions.

If Management thinks that passengers will resist flying on unmanned aircraft, then passengers have already made the decision without saying a word. The conversion cost is too great for such a risky financial experiment.

C130driver 04-05-2017 09:28 AM

Make no mistake, if airlines see a financial incentive they will absolutely do it, 100 years from now when the technology is safe and fielded for flying warm blooded pax. Right now there is no financial incentive and won't be for a very very long time.

No Land 3 04-05-2017 10:52 AM

Technology seems to increase at an exponential rate. All people need is positive experiences with self driving cars to feel comfortable on UAV's. I say 30 years from now, but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 15.

CrimsonEclipse 04-05-2017 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by C130driver (Post 2336719)
You are in denial if you are comparing trains on predictable tracks/2-dimensional travel to airliners. You're also in denial if you think any sane passenger would get on a pilotless plane. Not going to happen and there are virtually zero sound arguments for it.

C130Driver: LALALALALALALALALALALALA!!!! I"M NOT LISTENING!!! LALALALALALALALALALALALA!!!

(also, it's about CARGO UAS)

Radials Rule 04-06-2017 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2336654)
Very few, if anyone on here anymore could remember the railroads in this country when they made the switch from steam locomotives to diesels. Needless to say, study the history of it, the newer technology saved tremendous amounts of money by reducing labor costs and overhead. The pace of the switch over was break neck, faster than anyone could imagine. The railroads only needed a tiny fraction of the labor force they once required. You are living in denial if you can't see any paralells in the not too distant future, probably 20 to 30 years.

Yet, freight trains still have an engineer and a conductor. When freight trains are unmanned, only then should cargo pilots be concerned. Even in that case, it would be at least a decade. Railway unions being stronger than pilot "unions", notwithstanding.

GoHomeLeg 04-06-2017 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2336868)
Technology seems to increase at an exponential rate. All people need is positive experiences with self driving cars to feel comfortable on UAV's. I say 30 years from now, but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 15.

Do you know how long it takes to develop/certify a "regular" jet? Have you considered the business model of most cargo carriers? Are you even a pilot?

Most passenger jets take years (many as much as 10 years) to develop and certify. A UAS will take much longer. Thinking that something could potentially be flying in 15 years is, to put it nicely, generously optimistic.

Cargo carriers, with some exception, typically use retrofitted passenger aircraft to haul boxes around. To assume a cargo carrier is willing to invest in a brand new, unknown, unproven product with huge liability issues is not very realistic.

Everyone love to cite the fact that X% of crashes are due to pilot error. But any pilot can tell you (if you aren't one) that pilots are continuously preventing automation from crashing. How many times have you asked the autopilot what it's doing and overridden it? How is making the system more complicate (unmanned) suddenly going to make it safer? How can unmanned tech match the current safety rate in the industry? Accidents are very, very, very rare.


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