Motorclutch – one question; When did it become ok to work for a scab airline?

Recall the quote from ATSG CEO, "ATI, whose pilots are represented by ALPA, and did not support the strike, will crew all of the remaining aircraft we deploy for Amazon."

I was being nice and didn't want to bring that subject up.

ALPA an advantage?
 

So, I am in the same situation as Kilroy. My question to you guys (IE Motorclutch) is - would you rather hire a new guy who is a current union member? Or would you rather hire a new guy who has no clue? Fact is, you are going to hire. It may be a crap new hire, or it may be a quality guy/gal who has some skill and some perspective and who could handle a quick upgrade. Who would you prefer?

I would think, but maybe I am wrong, that most of the current ATI people would welcome the latter and try to make a difference from within. But if i am going to be treated like a scab from day one, no thanks.

You're not going to be treated like a scab. The six scabs will be treated like scabs.

Or maybe just Semi-scabs for coming to work for what you would refer to as "substandard conditions".

You on the other hand are clearly a beacon of professionalism and virtue!

Even as you continue to work under the very conditions you try to discourage others from participating in, under some self-serving premise that it will degrade the industry.

Another fine example of blatant hypocrisy!

Kougarok doesn't work for ATI. So...... maybe you want to take back your hypocrisy remark.

No Land 3 - While I agree with your "horrendous training department" comment, I kindly disagree with the remainder of your statement.

You see, I believe that "IF" more stories of the "REAL" work day, DH travel, and QOL for pilots at 121 Supplemental Carriers were revealed, then a lot more of the regional pilots would be dissuaded from pursuing a job with these outfits given the pay received for the additional work required.

You see, most regional carriers still operate a fairly well-oiled and supported operation (except during IROP's obviously), which makes the work day tolerable and the QOL acceptable while they gain the necessary 121 experience to move on to greener pastures. This "well-oiled operation" and "support" is hardly the case for a lot of the 121 Supplemental Carriers, but regional pilots won't know this until they experience it for themselves... due to lack of "due diligence" prior to applying and accepting a job offer, and because Supplemental pilots have done a poor job of revealing their horror stories of nightmare trip sequences (30+ hour multi-leg DH's, long duty days, continually interrupted sleep, multiple schedule changes, UNPAID 24-hour continual reserve, and a lot of other UNPAID additional work, etc.).

I could go on obviously, but supplemental pilots already know the gig and have learned to accept it... but regional pilots are mostly clueless about 121 supplemental operations QOL, and "WE" have done a poor job of revealing the in and outs of everyday supplemental life and educating them with our nightmare assignments requiring a "go the extra mile to save the day" mentality and the "pilot pushing" that still goes on in 121 supplemental operations.

Therefore, well-qualified regional pilots who get a supplemental carrier job offer are in for quite a shock in the lack of operational support, and will become quickly disappointed with their new employer... and the diminishing QOL of the new job.

To be hopeful and objective, maybe in the future... the "scheduled, known domestic flying" of the Amazon and DHL contracts will allow for some improved operational support and a better QOL for the 121 supplemental pilot groups, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on that to develop! :rolleyes:

Even if Kougarok did work for ATI, dubiousbrother's statement makes no sense. Sounds like dubious gets worked up too easily when anyone makes a comment about the strike.

There were plenty of ATI folks in November who would have come down with a sudden case of the flu in the event Amazon hadn't cancelled the flying altogether. I actually appreciate that Kougarok acknowledges the fact that the actions of six do not represent the views/actions of the entire pilot group.

Dubious lacks foresight

By working here, we aren't approving our current contract on the contrary we are trying to change it. We will start to see turn over very soon. Since we dont want to continue sub standard pay and become a high turnover training airline we'd like to see any influx stop. Money is like air to management, it takes a little affixation to make a point. Training moves airplanes lack of crews leaves rubber on the ramp.

The management group here will have to be forced into negotiations. We (ABX/ATI) have a strong coherent group that is solidifying daily. As for as the "flu" goes time will tell. Flu season is forecast to be strong this year though. CDC says so.

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