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303flyboy 12-02-2017 10:49 AM

I think if/when amazon buys abx and Atlas it will be a better gig. If it doesn’t happen it’s just another ACMI carrier. If you live locally it can be what you make of it. But the hostile environment mgmt creates is something I have never seen.

motorclutch 12-02-2017 12:05 PM

303 just remember.....this is essentially the same scumbag, failure driven management that tubed comair. Everyone who came here,including the chairman of the board was fired from other places. But rumor has it that their days are numbered. Hang in there, this ****show will only get better!

4runner 12-03-2017 11:59 AM

Soaper....Jesus....you can’t make this stuff up.

tiredofjrm 12-06-2017 04:57 AM

67 hard lines next month. We used to 90+. ATI must have gotten some more of our flying. Don't waste your time applying here. I can no longer justify staying. It is a dying airline.

741waskipper 12-06-2017 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by tiredofjrm (Post 2478383)
67 hard lines next month. We used to 90+. ATI must have gotten some more of our flying. Don't waste your time applying here. I can no longer justify staying. It is a dying airline.

And, they have restructured the patterns of flying so that we go through CVG frequently. Makes it easier to REA and JRM...Less crewmembers needed to fly the month.

FlyAstarJets 12-06-2017 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by tiredofjrm (Post 2478383)
67 hard lines next month. We used to 90+. ATI must have gotten some more of our flying...

Other than picking up our AMC contractual 6 month rotation of the ETAR/HECA charter, I don’t think so.
Have you looked at the other 767 operators on the ramp at CVG?

tiredofjrm 12-06-2017 10:37 AM

I’m not sure who actually got the flying. I was just guessing ATI.
All I know is that we are down 20+ lines of flying. ABX isnt growing, but getting smaller and smaller.
There is no reason to come here. First year pay is horrendous. You pay for your own housing during training. You won’t get per diem during training. And no CASS while in training. Then when you finally get on line, you will be on reserve indefinitely. That means either a crashpad or moving your family to the opioid Capitol of the US.
I know that reserve is where you start out at other places, but there is no possibility of advancement here. And like I’ve stated before, the environment here is just toxic. ATSG/ABX management hates the pilot group.

goinaround 12-06-2017 11:03 AM

Yeah, and you know what's frustrating? Look back at the Kalitta hiring thread to about a year before they got their contract. They absolutely spit poison about the place. Now that they have a contract...pilots are signing up. They're relatively happy. Their company is growing rapidly. Upward mobility. Same thing could happen here if they'd just get out of their own way. Not going to wait around to find out though.

motorclutch 12-06-2017 11:03 AM

Hey Amazon....I hope you are reading these blogs. This is the management failure you have inherited!

goinaround 12-11-2017 02:48 AM

So senior management recently implemented a generous severance plan for themselves. Discuss.........


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