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Old 12-12-2017, 06:59 AM   #41  
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Dude you really are dense. Paul does not have the seniority to hold the line as a captain. Go read the FOTM you have access to it.

Under the current CBA said individual can ONLY train NOT check.
Sorry to be so dense. Please post exactly where in the contract it states that. I cannot find it.
Two separate arguments. I agree that some one should be receiving pay credit for every leg he flies out of seniority, if he is in fact flying out of seniority. (I would suggest he is not as management pilots fall under a different section of the contract, regarding flying duties. That is why CE, SH, and SS left management leave as it was hurting them financially.)
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Sorry to be so dense. Please post exactly where in the contract it states that. I cannot find it.
Two separate arguments. I agree that some one should be receiving pay credit for every leg he flies out of seniority, if he is in fact flying out of seniority. (I would suggest he is not as management pilots fall under a different section of the contract, regarding flying duties. That is why CE, SH, and SS left management leave as it was hurting them financially.)
Start with Sec 22 A.2

he is not on the crew class list IE he can not hold Captain and thus can't do OE, checking etc. Also he is flying as CA outside of Crew / Class / Seniority and also this flying should be in open time, there are crews on the will fly that have not been called to fly trips that he is. Management pilots are last on the pecking order for line flying.

This has to be taken care of ASAP as the word is CE plans on bringing on more unhappy ex K4 guys like PB especially with the sweet starting pay they are being offered.

TT I find it hard to believe that you can't grasp the whole BS concept of what is happening.
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Start with Sec 22 A.2

he is not on the crew class list IE he can not hold Captain and thus can't do OE, checking etc. Also he is flying as CA outside of Crew / Class / Seniority and also this flying should be in open time, there are crews on the will fly that have not been called to fly trips that he is. Management pilots are last on the pecking order for line flying.

This has to be taken care of ASAP as the word is CE plans on bringing on more unhappy ex K4 guys like PB especially with the sweet starting pay they are being offered.

TT I find it hard to believe that you can't grasp the whole BS concept of what is happening.
Agreed! I don't understand what the big comprehensive ****ing burden is for some of these guys. Also, you a correct, we are getting screwed out of OT because of this behavior. The whole pilot group should be against this.
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Agreed! I don't understand what the big comprehensive ****ing burden is for some of these guys. Also, you a correct, we are getting screwed out of OT because of this behavior. The whole pilot group should be against this.
Please explain how you are getting screwed out of overtime. Management pilots must follow specific rules.

A managements Pilots authority to conduct IOE does not come from the contract. It comes from the FAA.

Management pilots do not pay union dues and are not covered by the contract.

I am still waiting on an answer regarding how the Chief Pilot is able to do checking events. If one is to go with the position that PB canít check then neither can the CP
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Please explain how you are getting screwed out of overtime. Management pilots must follow specific rules.

A managements Pilots authority to conduct IOE does not come from the contract. It comes from the FAA.

Management pilots do not pay union dues and are not covered by the contract.

I am still waiting on an answer regarding how the Chief Pilot is able to do checking events. If one is to go with the position that PB canít check then neither can the CP
You canít be on mgmt leave to avoid the seniority list. The CP has the seniority to be a captain.

If you canít comprehend this go take a few days off youíve been working too much.
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You canít be on mgmt leave to avoid the seniority list. The CP has the seniority to be a captain.

If you canít comprehend this go take a few days off youíve been working too much.
LMFAO!!!!! I can't comprehend why this is such a difficult concept for some of these guys to grasp. WTF?
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You canít be on mgmt leave to avoid the seniority list. The CP has the seniority to be a captain.

If you canít comprehend this go take a few days off youíve been working too much.
Is Maxjet in some sort of doomsday cult??
Its like he's been brainwashed
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Sounds like Maxjet just understands the contract!
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Old 12-15-2017, 04:00 AM   #49  
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You canít be on mgmt leave to avoid the seniority list. The CP has the seniority to be a captain.

If you canít comprehend this go take a few days off youíve been working too much.
Show me either language, or precedence that says you cannot. Again and as usual you go off with your condescending blanket statements with not a shred of evidence. Freakin millennials
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Is Maxjet in some sort of doomsday cult??
Its like he's been brainwashed
No cult. Just reality. If the Union has a case I fully want to proceed with it and solidly draw that line for contracts in the future.

The union let the cat out of the bag innocently enough, when they allowed Management Pilots to perform checking events years ago. Thus having established the meaning of Management pilot.

To just think that you are going to declare ďNew RulesĒ is just tilting at windmills.

Again, and because I am tired of writing this: checking and training authority comes from the FAA. Flying position to do the checking comes from the status of the Check Airman. PB is a trained, current, and FAA approved Check Airman. If he is flying out of seniority (and I believe he has this month because Steve Eder says he has not been called for the will fly list) then someone should be getting paid.

If none of you MOFOís are going to file for the bypass pay, let me know and I will put in for it.

Pay protection due to the company not following established Management Pilot rules is the only play here.
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