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midnightshuttle 03-21-2018 06:14 AM

Ati ta passed
 
It passed!

Told ya! What A Go ATI— way to set the bar

Official union email by 1 eastern

GeelErmo 03-21-2018 06:22 AM

What a shame !!! “Mesa” people never learn ah..!

midnightshuttle 03-21-2018 06:27 AM

Over 70% in favor

Good luck that just set a bar below omni and K4

Jurassic Jet 03-21-2018 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by midnightshuttle (Post 2555501)
Good luck that just set a bar below omni and K4


But but but but...we we're told we couldn't get any more! :(:confused:

OverGMcGee 03-21-2018 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by midnightshuttle (Post 2555501)
Over 70% in favor

Good luck that just set a bar below omni and K4


You must be union! How did you know the correct numbers that fast? Mec just put the email out

GeelErmo 03-21-2018 06:59 AM

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Boris Badenov 03-21-2018 07:26 AM

Passed with 70%??? Well that means the company gave you 19% more than they should have!

thesandbox 03-21-2018 07:46 AM

and please don't forget to take your ball with you.....at least you will have something to hide your heads behind

motorclutch 03-21-2018 07:53 AM

Come on guys..... there are guys that like BMW’s......but it seems like this is a KIA crowd!

sherpster 03-21-2018 08:08 AM

Dont you mean “prime air” pilot ta passed?

Ha ha ha

What a joke

redmanchew 03-21-2018 08:09 AM

Guess they earned their title


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TazPilot 03-21-2018 08:11 AM

Info
 
RATIFICATION BALLOT PASSED

The results are in and the ATI Tentative Agreement ratification ballot has passed. Of the 190 ATI pilots who cast ballots, 143 cast ballots in favor of the agreement.

We want to thank all the pilots who attended a road show, participated in an all pilot conference call, listened online, and submitted questions. We appreciate your need to understand all the facets of this new agreement before voting on it.

The implementation of the deal is outlined in Letter of Agreement 2: Implementation and Transition Agreement.

In the coming weeks, we will transition our ATI MEC website from a TA information website to our MEC website, where we will provide an electronic copy of the final collective bargaining agreement, copies of all electronic communications we distribute, committee contact information, etc.

Again, thank you for your participation.

Jurassic Jet 03-21-2018 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by sherpster (Post 2555589)
Dont you mean “prime air” pilot ta passed?

Ha ha ha

What a joke


Ray Ban Aviatiors and Prime Air bag tags for all!!!! Long live Mesa!

redmanchew 03-21-2018 08:30 AM

"Mesa heavy"


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AQPABC 03-21-2018 09:14 AM

What an embarrassment to the industry. Truly disgusting.

C7fr8dog 03-21-2018 09:14 AM

Does that mean no more hotels in CVG when you commute home? Hotels are for layovers >8 hours. I'm guessing most layovers in CVG are less than that.

CargoPirate 03-21-2018 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by motorclutch (Post 2555569)
Come on guys..... there are guys that like BMW’s......but it seems like this is a KIA crowd!

More like a Ford Pinto crowd.

CargoPirate 03-21-2018 09:31 AM

I lost a tremendous amount of respect for ATI when their pilots double crossed ABX during the strike.

Today I lost what little respect was left. Congrats ATI pilots for proving without a shadow of a doubt what we all knew about you!

Boris Badenov 03-21-2018 10:18 AM

37 of them voted "no thanks". Just sayin.

Captjim 03-21-2018 10:30 AM

Way to go Mesa pilots, you guys are an embarrassment to the industry!

say again 03-21-2018 10:33 AM

I'm guessing this wasn't a very good TA...

lineflyer4life 03-21-2018 10:34 AM

Mesa Heavy, cross PIKET, descend and maintain the bottom of the barrel. Great work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JackStraw 03-21-2018 10:42 AM

What an embarrassment of a pilot group.

BlueSkies88 03-21-2018 10:52 AM

Not only scabs, but they sold themselves with hopes of being "Prime Pilots" These people are an embarrassing to our industry. Now that the contract just passed it's just a matter of time before AMAZON buys them.

#primepilotsfly4less
#wetamazondreams

qiutong 03-21-2018 11:22 AM

I’m half way tempted to push for a concessionary contract on the ABX side, so that the ATI guys can feel what it’s like to be on the receiving end of the whipsaw...that they’ve now perpetuated. I knew they weren’t going to resist, and sadly, I was correct.

Out Of Trim 03-21-2018 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by Captjim (Post 2555712)
Way to go Mesa pilots, you guys are an embarrassment to the industry!

Please forgive me for sounding naive, but I know basically nothing about the history of your airline. I keep hearing these Mesa references and we all know the history of that place and it’s pilot group. Are these just off-handed analogies being made here OR is there actually a significant percentage of your pilots who really are ex-Mesa? Not trying to stir up any crap here ... just curious. I was at Mesa when their most recent disappointing contract was voted in. So I left. Sometimes that’s about all you can do. For those of you who may now opt to take that same path and “vote with your feet” (as we were so often encouraged to do at Mesa), I wish you the best of luck.

Industry Strnd 03-21-2018 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by BlueSkies88 (Post 2555734)
Not only scabs, but they sold themselves with hopes of being "Prime Pilots" These people are an embarrassing to our industry. Now that the contract just passed it's just a matter of time before AMAZON buys them.

#primepilotsfly4less
#wetamazondreams

Who cares if Amazon buys ATI it's still one of the worst contracts in the industry! The retirement is way below even most regionals, the rates are lower than most narrow body rates, vacation isn't always vacation and schduling ..16 days in a row....less days off than nearly everyone on the industry.....if anyone thinks going here is a good idea do your research first. I bet alot will still leave but will just be higher paid while waiting for a real airline to call! ALPA is weak! ....scope that expires and "business opportunity " letter that states they will amend the contract!! SMH

midnightshuttle 03-21-2018 01:00 PM

The JV letter broke the back of the group. This past week a very senior capt in ONT was fighting back tears saying he had to have this. He was very disturbed and frightened. May post on youtube

I said it would pass and it did. The group would have taken less.

Best of luck on the next TA’s

gumpscheck 03-21-2018 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Industry Strnd (Post 2555794)
Who cares if Amazon buys ATI it's still one of the worst contracts in the industry! The retirement is way below even most regionals, the rates are lower than most narrow body rates, vacation isn't always vacation and schduling ..16 days in a row....less days off than nearly everyone on the industry.....if anyone thinks going here is a good idea do your research first. I bet alot will still leave but will just be higher paid while waiting for a real airline to call! ALPA is weak! ....scope that expires and "business opportunity " letter that states they will amend the contract!! SMH

So probably a large group will leave at the first opportunity. In the meantime they did the damage by voting for such selfish short term gain. Those who voted for it and leave are worse than scum. They won’t even reap the consequences of their actions.

chiefaviator 03-21-2018 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by CargoPirate (Post 2555660)
More like a Ford Pinto crowd.

Pinto? Too much credit. More like a Yugo crowd.

Jurassic Jet 03-21-2018 02:25 PM

Careful now boys....pick on ‘em too much and they’ll want a safe space again. :p

Tumbl3weed 03-21-2018 02:44 PM

You guys are a complete embarrassment...do yourself a favor, if you’re in CVG and see an Atlas, Southern, Kallita or ABX pilot get on the bus....wait for the next one.

LRSRanger 03-21-2018 03:03 PM

I’m considering a move to a supplemental carrier instead of a regional. As I look at all the different operators none of them look all that great. So what exactly makes the ATI contract worse than any of the others? I know a guy at ATI and he said it’s a better contract than Kilatta, with better work rules. So educate me, why all the heartburn?

Riverside 03-21-2018 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by LRSRanger (Post 2555916)
I’m considering a move to a supplemental carrier instead of a regional. As I look at all the different operators none of them look all that great. So what exactly makes the ATI contract worse than any of the others? I know a guy at ATI and he said it’s a better contract than Kilatta, with better work rules. So educate me, why all the heartburn?

Guess your friend is a "yes voter"

redmanchew 03-21-2018 03:24 PM

You're friend is either a liar or smoking crack.


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LRSRanger 03-21-2018 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 2555931)
Guess your friend is a "yes voter"

Apparently like 70% voted yes, so if he did he isn’t an outlier.

I’ve never been Union, just trying to learn here.

freighthound 03-21-2018 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 2555931)
Guess your friend is a "yes voter"

And a moron. ATI works 13 more days a year for 5 % less money. Commercial travel is worse. Vacation can be on days off just to name a few.

redmanchew 03-21-2018 03:30 PM

Do yourself a favor LRS and don't go to ATI unless you want that crap stain on your resume, because that will be an issue during an interview by your peers if you have any intentions of going to a major.


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Jurassic Jet 03-21-2018 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by freighthound (Post 2555944)
And a moron. ATI works 13 more days a year for 5 % less money. Commercial travel is worse. Vacation can be on days off just to name a few.

Yep. They have been and will continue to be a bottom feeder. JH and JV are laughing all the way to the bank knowing they have sucked this group in for at least 6-8 years under this crappy contract.

LRSRanger 03-21-2018 03:36 PM

Every cargo carrier thread you read on APC is filled with angry pilots saying don’t come here you don’t want this place on your resume etc. ATI sucks, ABX sucks, god forbid you go to Atlas. Looks like I’ll get out the old dart board. :rolleyes:


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