Great Pryor two posts! Dead nuts on!

Isn't that the whole point of work rules, as spelled out in a union contract? If you don't like the rules, reject the TA and start talking again. Honestly, do you even know how this works? Don't blame the IBT for your lack of involvement in the whole process.

I stopped believing in the tooth fairy long ago but you would be surprised by what’s out there.

That's funny....the whole process? Like the grievance process? With no punitive damages and the company playing dumb and told to stop violating the contract so they can turn around and do it all again? Why because they can! A contract means nothing unless you are in sec 6 and have some nuts to park airplanes. Hold out for EVERTHING! It could be 10yrs or more you are stuck with this disaster. The RLA has almost no time limits. No favors no waivers!

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? Of coarse the company can open and close bases and move airplanes, happens all the time. Do you really think the company is going to move the 767 based in HNL some place else? Why?, they make good money with that route, if anything they should be adding planes.
Even if they did, so what, I'm sure there is language in the new contract that spells out what happens tot he pilots displaced. I would bet the vast majority would just go back tot he 737 in HNL.

Really seems like you are just mad that there are fences and you can't jump right into the 767 in HNL. Well, just remember that 767 was flying out of HNL 3 years ago, long before your management even thought about a merge. and the fence works both ways, I know there are guys in HNL that want to go to MIA.

you are delusional, hold out for everything, ya that tactic will really work. Do you know nothing about negotiations? You think you just walk in with demands and say we are not signing unless we get everything we want? What exactly is your leverage to make that demand? You will strike? Well like you pointed out the RLA will not let you do that and the company can just drag things out forever. You don't like that, well go to Congress and tell them to get rid of it. On the company side they give a monetary value for EVERYTHING, even if it does not cost them a dime to do. You want something, they will say , what are you giving us for that, that is equal value? You want home-basing? The fact is that cost the company money, what are you willing to give up to get it? You can't just say, Well all the other cargo guys have it. Fact is they do different flying than you. Atlas and Kalitta pilots leave home and don't come back for 17 days or more, so home basing makes sense for them. You guys have 2 airplanes based in MIA that do day trips. Why would a company give you home basing? just because you don't live there and want it? keep dreaming.

If you think your grievance process is a joke, whose fault is that? I have filed many grievances over the years and every time I ended up with a check in my hand. If you are not getting the same results then time to replace your reps. You have to fight for things in your contract, the company is not going to just hand you stuff because you ask politely.

3 yrs ago? They have only had 767s for 6-8 mos. And ABX/ATI had/has been operating the LAX-HNL flight while NAC worked on ETOPS.

FALSE! Coconut is correct. While NAC has only had a 767 for 6 months the HNL route has been flying for 3+ years as branded Aloha Air Cargo work. It was subcontracted out to ATI/ABX.

Yep. Specially the part about going somewhere else if you don’t like what you’ve got.

“Branded Aloha” LoL. Kinda like Envoy is branded American. Same thing, right?

Don’t really see how AAC guys are somehow connected to flying that was done by another airline, with different pilots. The paint job is pretty irrelevant.