Who is ATSG ABX Air President?
 

Seriously. Who is the ATSG ABX Air President? /s


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Dave soaper. Alot of flying and pilots have left since he took over.

[QUOTE=point432;2656417]Seriously. Who is the ATSG ABX Air President?

David Soaper. But I hear he thinks he is the president of ATSG.
It appears as if his buddy Radamaker is trying to force him into the ATSG president position. Didn't he run Comair into the ground and get fired from Southern?

So I think it's about 60 pilots have quit. Think of all that money spent training them and then trying to find replacements!

I know abx thinks it's free cause they own the sim but the instructor gets $275 hr and student $50 hour for 2 months while not being productive online.
And now they pay Perdiem and hotel on top of that. So it's prb about $35,000 for each Pilot who quits and then another 35k for his replacement. So about 60 have quit hired 50 more around 3.5 mIllion in pay!

But when your losing flying at the same time?

Just a question :
Radamaker got fired from Comair
Soaper got fired from Comair and Southern. What gives these “tools” the ability to destroy a company?
That answer is Joe Hete

Never in history has there been a better time to harness both the momentum of an industry set to double global departures by the year 2035, and a large supply of highly experienced pilots ready to go to work for the right price. The only one who sees it is Connie Kalitta. I don't get it........

ATSG has been milked by all concerned. The investors have seemed to take note. Falling stock prices seem to indicate the listeners of the quarterly babble just aren’t buying it.

Funny how Kalitta signs a good contract and is growing by 200 pilots. They must have secured a huge amount of flying ATSG missed out on! We get an update from 1224 that says they spent a week trying to talk about what the definition of international is! Heard 1224 might be working on preferred hiring for pilots who want to go elsewhere!

200? More than that hired in the past few months.....

I’ve heard that also. I think it’s a great idea. Who wants to stick around at a place that treats their employees so bad and appears to be shrinking into oblivion.

Management is just not that smart...

All of the ABX new hires are doing their sims in Denver. At least partially to end run around the union regarding the hotel and per diem. August in-house ABX sim schedule is about 80% ATI. Things are going great!

Back when ABX started hiring once again, they should have been putting people up and paying per diem. That thinking is so behind the curve, it took mgmt 2 years to finally come around to accepting it. The damage has been done and there is in no way they can come back.


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Let's break this down. A guy is put in charge comes in threatening everyone's careers. Massive amounts of fos quit with the furlough threat.

Then the head of training quits, the head of scheduling quits and takes schedulers with him. The Co ERC and instructor quits, line check pilots quit. Many pilots take early retirement. The stock price tanks, flying is lost.

Massive amounts of jr manning going on so much so the 4th qu is going to be 2016 all over. At what point does the rest of the ATSG board realize someone who threatens employees and lies is not the way to accomplish goals?

Oh and trying to hide the fact that a 27 million offer was just creative accounting to make it look like it was alot of money.

I guess ACMI doesn't pay enough for them to hire someone with business sense, integrity, talent, and knows how to lead employees not make them give 2 shxts less about their company.

Alot of pilots quitting and almost all looking. No end in sight for ACMI carriers to realize each day that goes by they keep letting employees leave and the reputation of the airline continues to tank. Im sure there will be a meeting about these message board posts and instead of fixing the problem they will look the penalize the pilot group in some way.

How many are going to Kalitta for the 4th quater instead of staying at ABX for the melt down?

The outflow of pilots is getting ready to be unlike anything ever seen before at this company. Peak season is going to be a nightmare.

Mostly all new hires are also applying other places as soon as they are done with training (if not while in training)!

Doesn’t seem like anyone has any big hopes anymore.

Talking to a friend who recently left, half of Dispatch and what’s left of ABX scheduling department has applications out. They recently gave the SOC a retention raise whice doesn’t make up for a decade of being under paid. Perhaps JH will come off his wallet, and try to salvage what he can with everyone.

Sorry but he can’t help himself. He doesn’t know how run a successful company. ATSG is on a tailspin low slow and out of ideas.

This is true. We're also fighting for what's right. We need our jobs- this isn't a great area for finding alternative employment. Without a proper contract, we can't do our jobs. The janitors are leaving for Atlas right now. Somebody has to be here to turn off the lights. Nobody wants to be that guy.

FUPM. A lot of us are behind you guys.

Unfortunately, they are leaving for better pay at Atlas, which is also in need of fair contract too. ABX played on the fact that they were the only airline in the region for a while. However, now that Atlas has moved in they are forced to compete for service, not only for business but for talent as well. I hope ABX/ATSG realizes people are an asset and not just a liability. They can demonstrate this by negotiating a fair contract. Then we can try an save this ship. However, IMHO the iceberg has already struck and now is taking on water. Those who left I wish them the best at Atlas or wherever they land. I was a dispatcher before I took to the friendly sky’s no way I’d survive on what GFS pays. I’d bolt for Atlas too, least they have a union to back them up and negotiate a fair wage.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Atlas is in worse shape than ABX. K4 is the place to go. I am assuming you know who is K4.

As far as a better Union, it’s the same Union and Local that represents both Atlas and ABX. Again, you don’t have a clue.

It's not absolutely clear, but I think they were referring to schedulers, who do seem to be better paid at Atlas than at ABX.

Obviously you only read what you wanted to read in this paragraph. Has nothing to do with pilots. If you would have taken the extra 2 minutes to read all the way through and bothered to read the original post you would have seen, that who ever posted was saying they aren’t a pilot and they hope we get a fair contract, so that they can have a better future too.

Yes, besides us Teamsters their are other Unions in the Aviation field. Atlas Dispatch is Unionized. So before you throw before you refer to someone as not having a clue perhaps you should take a breath and read first. Also realize that others at ABX have a stake in us getting a contract too.

Yes I’m aware of Kallitta (aka Connie, K4)

Fly Safe

Yes Dispatch and other SOC departments. GFS, Global Flight Servise, another company of ATSG, that handle our dispatching duties. Shame they Dispatch for two companies (ABX/ATI) yet are under paid to dispatch for one.

I have no real idea of what Scheduler make. Obviously better elsewhere, I don’t blame anyone looking to improve their situation as long as they aren’t crapping on me or others to get ahead. Heck if all the schedulers left perhaps 4th Quarter would be a bigger cluster that would then force them to do something for us. I know I have at least 6-7 D6 days I’m owed. Wishful thinking!

Stay Safe

For a supposed idiot JH does seem to be able to find ways to get $$$. Anyone know what his last 10 years comp has been with stock?

https://www1.salary.com/Joseph-C-Hete-Salary-Bonus-Stock-Options-for-AIR-TRANSPORT-SERVICES-GROUP.html

Don’t know how accurate those numbers are but I imagine somewhere in that range.

Ok; my bad. I honestly thought you were referring to the pilot’s side of the house. I sit back and relax before jumping in the next time.

Yes, can find way to make money. However, he could have make more money if he was more of a visionary. Can you imagine what would have happened if ATSG wouldn’t have supplied Amerijet with 767s? And again NAC? JH would have own Caribbean and Central America. He then could have set the air shipping rates in those areas. But no, he likes the low hanging fruit. He is too lazy.

All good brother carry on and Fly safe!

Thanks.....👍

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Can you be JRM on a D-6 day? If so does the original D6 go back into the bank and you get another, on top of JRM pay? Asking for a friend!

Yes. You eventually get your time off, but in the meantime, you get paid for it. That's how you ride the D6 train to mo' money, mo' money, mo' money! (for those who remember that far back, when Jim Carrey was still funny and JLo was a Fly Girl)

The days of “In Living Color”, thanks!

Close...you can be JRM'd on a D6 day but the original D6 day is gone.. it does not go back into the bank. You do earn another one plus JRM pay.

Yeah, I was thinking I may have missed that part in my answer.

You used the D6 day to turn a work day into a day off, which is what makes it another JRM when they give you an assignment on that day. It's the money multiplier that pays you a bonus to work on a day you would otherwise be working anyway.

Actually it gets a bit fuzzy at this point...to qualify for D6 credit..it has to be an emergency assignment on an "originally scheduled" day off. So if you use a D6 day and are off then receive an EA you would be entitled to premium pay....but no D6 credit since it was an originally scheduled work day. You can still be reassigned on top of the EA day which would be the 3rd time you would have been paid for the same day....on your way to 600k. So yes you can be emergency assigned on a D6 day off.

Are you saying that if I get JRM’d on a D6 day I lose my D6 day?

That has not been the case in the past.

If I got jrmd on a D6 day, I would then receive a new D6 day.

I don't have any desire to intrude on the Hete Hate, but on this particular point I think it's a mistake to assume that the aircraft that those carriers wanted wouldn't simply have been furnished by other lessors.

Phil Scruggs at AerCap, Steve Rimmer at Guggenheim (now Altavair) and Dave Houlihan from AWAS (now DAE Capital) would have been kicking in the door at those airlines for the opportunity to place aircraft there, as all of them have actually done successfully at Cargojet.

That CAM and Titan snagged the 40-aircraft order from a highly-creditworthy customer like Amazon has I'm sure chapped the heinies of all the guys above, and that accomplishment has a lot to do, I think, with the job that CAM, LGSTX and ABX did for Amazon with the Aerosmith network. The Amazon flying was initially ABX's to lose, just as future aircraft orders are for CAM and Titan to lose. But I'm confident that every one of those other lessors has crafted and pitched other methods by which Amazon could address its lift needs, and every one of them is looking for ways to eliminate any perceived advantage in the 767-300 leasing space that CAM and Titan might currently have.

I think that it is notable that N380AN is being converted for Cargojet in TLV, but not by CAM. It's the first ex-AA 767-300 in some time that was purchased and converted by someone other than CAM. This was a missed opportunity by CAM, which had just placed a newly-converted ex-AA 767-300 at Cargojet in November of last year.

There is a lot of competition in aircraft leasing, and if CAM doesn't do it, somebody else will.

I also think that it would have been nearly-impossible for ABX to make money on the business currently being serviced by Amerijet and NAC. Yes, Amerijet is flying the living crap out of its recently-acquired 767-300s, pounding them with business in the financially-challenging little niche that it serves. But it's a niche in which it is notoriously-difficult to get paid enough, if to get paid at all. Meanwhile, Northern's MIA operation is going to have to score a lot more business if it is going to survive. Some folks driving regularly by the airport would swear that the NAC and StratAir aircraft haven't moved in weeks. They have moved, but that impression is telling, and valid. Given that ABX doesn't have an integrated source of business like StratAir and Amerijet do, I don't see where it could have fit profitably into their niche. Some may disagree with that, but certainly those guys could have found aircraft elsewhere if CAM didn't want to lease to them.

Add the Scheduler turned Manager of Crew planning and Crew payroll.

Guess they will have to outsource the department to India pretty soon. Check those bonus pay and D-6 allocations closely.

Who else quit in Scheduling? Is that recent?