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Originally Posted by veewan (Post 2787074)

Have you read the forum about the crash, both here and Pprune? Over on Pprune there's a narrative:

https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...l#post10425322

"The initial bobble is from turbulence at 6200’. When the FO called for flaps 1, the captain accidentally hit the toga button. Toga didn’t engage until after flaps were set to 1, which then brought engine power to full, and started the initial pitch of 10 degrees nose up. The FO was startled, and shoved the nose forward... The CVR is startling, and baffling. The CA was pulling so hard against the FO that he sheared the pins on the stick and at that point had no control. They were IMC at the time. When they broke out into VMC, the FO said oh schit and started to pull. That was the round out you see. I won’t get into anything more until everything comes out. The records, the CVR, and what happened in the flight deck is truly shocking. They hit a negative 4 G dive initialy on the FOs push. All you hear is stuff hitting the ceiling and at one point a loud thud. They think the thud may have been the JS hitting the ceiling and maybe not wearing the shoulder harness. Like I said, I won’t get into anything more about the background of how it all happened. This is the accident in a nutshell. The facts that will come out are shocking."

Did you see the NTSB's initial statement that it was control column input? Sounds like this is accurate. The question is why?

So you can think it's inappropriate, but if the NTSB report comes back with the cause as pilot error and the PF's training records show that he was pushed through training to the line will that change your mind?

That account is horrifying. I don't have a problem talking about facts learned from the CVR/FDR. Commenting about "word on the street" being that the pilot(s) had poor training records is inappropriate. It's either conjecture, which is inappropriate, or if substantiated it is grossly inappropriate to use APC as the means to share that information, and it's not some average line pilot's role to share that information in the first place.

Were all the ABX new hires allowed to resign that busted out of new hire training?

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Originally Posted by Grundt (Post 2787054)

This post is pretty inappropriate, even for APC.

Facts are inappropriate in this day and age. Feelings are what matter and that triggered me as well.

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Originally Posted by 4runner (Post 2789852)

Facts are inappropriate in this day and age. Feelings are what matter and that triggered me as well.

It's ok to be upset, but triggered implies PTSD.

Indeed facts are inappropriate in this day and age, hence we have crazy ideas like vaccines causing autism.

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Originally Posted by 4runner (Post 2789852)

Facts are inappropriate in this day and age. Feelings are what matter and that triggered me as well.

Wait...you're relying on some post on the internet and calling it fact? I'm the one saying wait for the facts to come out from the investigation through official channels, and that keyboard commandos spewing this crap on the internet is inappropriate. IF the internet post is correct, then there are some major, major problems that must be dealt with. I am neither triggered nor unwilling to face facts. How we approach the issue during the course of the investigation matters.

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Originally Posted by Grundt (Post 2790289)

What if 4runner is implying that facts have been leaked and the story going around on the internet IS close to the actual account?

From what I've heard the post on the internet is spot on with what the NTSB's best theory is. Obviously I'll believe it when it's in a NTSB released document, but it does have a possible explanation for why a crew might have made "control column input." That was the verbiage in the first NTSB release on March 12th... they changed it sometime afternoon to "nose-down elevator deflection."

The only reason I think the NTSB changed the wording is to suggest it was not intentional (suicide). It's still possible that they meant something broke and commanded the elevator, but that's a rather bad typo considering the initial wording.

So... Why is this on an ABX thread, particularly this one which seems the original intent was to scare away weak pilots?

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Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2791044)

So... Why is this on an ABX thread, particularly this one which seems the original intent was to scare away weak pilots?

I don't think the intent was to scare away weak Pilots. I think the intent is to inform all Pilots this is a toxic work environment that has gone on for years. A president who thinks he can ask for concessions from an already concessionary contract. There's a few company personal on here that think that it's okay to try and convince people to come here yet the facts stand for themselves.

50% quit several have even returned to their old employer.

New hire pilots told for 3 years a new contract is just around the corner!

ATSG

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A word of caution: if you are stupid enough to apply to ABX.....you lose your right to whine afterwards.

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