FDX not hiring until calendar June 2008
04-18-2007, 09:38 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by Pilot7576
salty dog...
If you don't like working in the training center, then come on out and join us on the line, the water's fine. No one is forcing you to instruct and stay off the line. If the bucks aren't enough, then give it up...that is the only way the company will increase the compensation package if they want ipa guys in the training center.
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Pilot7576
If you don't like working in the training center, then come on out and join us on the line, the water's fine. No one is forcing you to instruct and stay off the line. If the bucks aren't enough, then give it up...that is the only way the company will increase the compensation package if they want ipa guys in the training center.
JMO
Pilot7576
The thought of bailing enters alot of the minds. I know one instructor who recently quit. Know 2 more strongly considering bailing. I honestly don't think they really care all that much if it is IPA instructors. They have contractual rights to hire others if the IPA doesn't fill the square.
They are having a tough time getting new DC-8 S/O instructors from the line. They just started messing with IPA MD instructor pay in Long Beach, etc. They will hire more managers I suppose. I always volunteer to go back to the line when they want someone to go back.
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04-19-2007, 01:22 PM
#33
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This is from the our SCP's new "O-grams." Looks like some of that rumor was correct at least for today.
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Hiring plans are on an indefinite hold. As soon as I get the complete picture, I’ll follow up with a more specific timely. Please realize that I don’t own the new-hire positions. I only facilitate the hiring into those positions. During this hiring gap, I will rework the “meet and greet” program and get back with you when I have it complete. If you have suggestions, send them to me.
Miscellaneous
Hiring plans are on an indefinite hold. As soon as I get the complete picture, I’ll follow up with a more specific timely. Please realize that I don’t own the new-hire positions. I only facilitate the hiring into those positions. During this hiring gap, I will rework the “meet and greet” program and get back with you when I have it complete. If you have suggestions, send them to me.
04-19-2007, 02:02 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by TipTip35
Does anyone know for sure if a good percentage of 60+ guys are currently moving to the SO seat? Listening to the FAA it sounds like at the very best it'll take 2 years for the rule to start and another 2 years for it to be fully implemented. For guys turning 60 this year they are taking almost a 50% paycut (going off of APC #s) for a chance to be Capt again for maybe a year or two but probably not even that. I do realize that 50% of what they are making is still probably at least 100k but I'd be surprised that a significant number of people that are 59 or just turning 60 would hang around. Is there some kind of retirement advantage that I'm missing??
Just curious (and hoping that this thread's title proves to be wrong
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Tip
Just curious (and hoping that this thread's title proves to be wrong
)Tip
Go to VIPS, type in "training letter" in the search field and then select the type a/c you want. All new S/Os in the Diesel 10 and the Whistling Sh1thouse are over 60! Or it seems.
04-19-2007, 04:23 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by AerisArmis
Go to VIPS, type in "training letter" in the search field and then select the type a/c you want. All new S/Os in the Diesel 10 and the Whistling Sh1thouse are over 60! Or it seems.
04-25-2007, 08:16 PM
#38
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I thought I might throw in my 2 cents after hearing a few things in the training house lately.
Mr. Smith just sold a few options totalling $6.2 million. Either he is generating income for a campaign contribution to McCain, or he thinks the $108 per share is not getting any better over the next couple of years. With the slowing a bit and the optiimizer squeezing harder, why hire more?
KD and the hiring folks are planning on doing very little recruiting over the next year. There are enough in the shallow pool combined with those resumes that have already done meet and greets to produce enough of a trickle to satisfy those counting beans.
ALPA and FAA know that the age 60 will change to 65. The survey is really a way of communicating to everyone that the rule is going to change. It is like the White House projecting that gas will be $4 a gallon this summer. If they let people know that things are going to suck, then we have time to prepare for and accept the change. When Blakey changes the age to 65, the retirements to new hire ratio will change significantly eliminating the need to hire to cover the 200+ retirements per year. The company probably won't retrain 62+ year olds, so upgrades should continue at a decent pace.
In the mean time, 727 to 757 and DC10 to MD10 are requiring less and less pilots to staff the 2 person cockpit vice the 3 person cockpit. By the way, the FAA has shown interest in the fact that we have more MD10's on campus now than MD11s. They strongly suggest we do primary training in the majority airframe (MD10 with MD11 differences at the end of training).
Are we posturing for a buy? World Airlines with their MD11s (albeit not that many) would be a nice purchase right about now. I have very little clue about airline business moves, but it seems like we are purchasing a great number of other delivery companies right now including an entire fleet of Chinese Pilots to cover the next day requirement in the mainland.
Parting shot. Unmanned aerial cargo vehicles are coming, it is just a matter of when. I think we may end up sitting in a simulated cockpit as a takeoff and landing expert in 2 decades or less. It will happen, says Nostradamus.
The sky is not falling, it is just changing. All indicators seem to be counter-intuitive, or maybe things just aren't what they seem. To us, more airplanes should mean more hiring and that we are behind falling further behind. Hopefully I am completely wrong and this mismanagement by the counters of the bean will result in a fertile ground for the next round of negotiations. Time will tell.
Comments and spears are more than welcomed.
Mr. Smith just sold a few options totalling $6.2 million. Either he is generating income for a campaign contribution to McCain, or he thinks the $108 per share is not getting any better over the next couple of years. With the slowing a bit and the optiimizer squeezing harder, why hire more?
KD and the hiring folks are planning on doing very little recruiting over the next year. There are enough in the shallow pool combined with those resumes that have already done meet and greets to produce enough of a trickle to satisfy those counting beans.
ALPA and FAA know that the age 60 will change to 65. The survey is really a way of communicating to everyone that the rule is going to change. It is like the White House projecting that gas will be $4 a gallon this summer. If they let people know that things are going to suck, then we have time to prepare for and accept the change. When Blakey changes the age to 65, the retirements to new hire ratio will change significantly eliminating the need to hire to cover the 200+ retirements per year. The company probably won't retrain 62+ year olds, so upgrades should continue at a decent pace.
In the mean time, 727 to 757 and DC10 to MD10 are requiring less and less pilots to staff the 2 person cockpit vice the 3 person cockpit. By the way, the FAA has shown interest in the fact that we have more MD10's on campus now than MD11s. They strongly suggest we do primary training in the majority airframe (MD10 with MD11 differences at the end of training).
Are we posturing for a buy? World Airlines with their MD11s (albeit not that many) would be a nice purchase right about now. I have very little clue about airline business moves, but it seems like we are purchasing a great number of other delivery companies right now including an entire fleet of Chinese Pilots to cover the next day requirement in the mainland.
Parting shot. Unmanned aerial cargo vehicles are coming, it is just a matter of when. I think we may end up sitting in a simulated cockpit as a takeoff and landing expert in 2 decades or less. It will happen, says Nostradamus.
The sky is not falling, it is just changing. All indicators seem to be counter-intuitive, or maybe things just aren't what they seem. To us, more airplanes should mean more hiring and that we are behind falling further behind. Hopefully I am completely wrong and this mismanagement by the counters of the bean will result in a fertile ground for the next round of negotiations. Time will tell.
Comments and spears are more than welcomed.
04-25-2007, 08:44 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by Trapav8r
Are we posturing for a buy? World Airlines with their MD11s (albeit not that many) would be a nice purchase right about now.
World Air Holdings Agrees to Be Acquired by Global Aero Logistics, Inc. (April 5, 2007)
Too late.
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04-26-2007, 12:14 PM
#40
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Wow Trapav8r, I hope the picture you paint is not accurate. It might be though, time will tell.
I guess this thread has lead me to believe that there might be a misunderstanding between what management is saying for hiring dates (fiscal june '08) and what we are hearing (calendar june '08). We'll be finding out soon enough.
If there are any other poolies out there reading this, please make sure you post when you receive a call for class. If it is in fact fiscal June '08, us poolies should hear from KD sometime around July/August, after the MOAB, part 2.
Thanks to all who have provided insight.
CS.
I guess this thread has lead me to believe that there might be a misunderstanding between what management is saying for hiring dates (fiscal june '08) and what we are hearing (calendar june '08). We'll be finding out soon enough.
If there are any other poolies out there reading this, please make sure you post when you receive a call for class. If it is in fact fiscal June '08, us poolies should hear from KD sometime around July/August, after the MOAB, part 2.
Thanks to all who have provided insight.
CS.
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